Title for Camilla - Part 2

[bad_barbarella]

it just makes me sad to even think of it... when i was a little girl i always looked up to diana because she was so caring kind and truely compashionate... i also pray the queen stays around for that long

[Britters]

Originally Posted by kinneret5764

I hope that the Queen has at least another 25 years of life left so that neither Charles nor Camilla will be much of a factor in the future. I'm surprised that Charles has not yet married Camilla, given that they are both "free".

As has been stated multiple times before, Charles is not legally allowed to marry Camilla and still retain his postion in the line of succession. While both are divorced (he widowed), Camilla's ex husband is still alive, meaning in the eyes of the Church of England they are still married as the only way one can leave a marriage is through death.

Even if the laws have been or are being slackened on the laws of marrying a divorcee, Charles and Camilla still need the approval of the Queen and Parliment, and because of public opinion I just don't see how they would receive those permissions.

[bad_barbarella]

oh ok thats for the clarification i didnt realise that :)

[Britters]

Not a problem.

[Elspeth]

As has been stated multiple times before, Charles is not legally allowed to marry Camilla and still retain his postion in the line of succession.

I don't think there's a legal problem with his remaining in the line of succession if he marries Camilla. There may well be other problems, such as a feeling that such an action might damage the monarchy, but if he's able to marry her at all then there's no reason why he couldn't still become King. The Archbishop of Canterbury could refuse to participate in the coronation of a person married to a divorcee whose previous spouse is still living, but that'd be another matter.

As long as Camilla isn't Catholic, there's no legal requirement for Charles to step out of the line of succession if he marries her.

[wymanda]

We now know that Camilla will be known as Duchess of Cornwall so perhaps the Administrators will be kind enough to close this thread?

[sara1981]

Originally Posted by wymanda

We now know that Camilla will be known as Duchess of Cornwall so perhaps the Administrators will be kind enough to close this thread?

i would agree with you! and no more about re-place of late Princess of Wales of titles! but Camilla will known as Duchess of Cornwall or Princess of Consort that it they would closed thread im sick to heard about add of Princess of Wales for Camilla and becoming Queen of England that it!

Sara Boyce

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by wymanda

We now know that Camilla will be known as Duchess of Cornwall so perhaps the Administrators will be kind enough to close this thread?

Perhaps we can leave it open to discuss additional, future titles for Camilla, such as whether she will be called Queen or not or if she will remain Princess Consort. The title issue is much deeper than merely the Duchess of Cornwall.

I am still hearing debates about legislature taking place to prevent Camilla from being called Queen when Charles ascends to the throne and what the (emotional) implications of Camilla (unofficially) still being the Princess of Wales even if she is not addressed as such publicly.

A lot to discuss still on this matter of a title for Camilla, I think.

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

She won't be called Queen. The current Queen has said so. Besides, I don't think the people would let her become Queen.

[james]

The fact is that when Camilla marries Charles she will automatically become Princess of Wales and when he becomes King she will automatically become Queen. The greatest legal minds in Britain have stated that it would would take take an act of Parliament to change both situations. Diana, for example, automatically assumed all of Prince Charles' titles upon marraige including Princess of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall. Naturally she was known as the former as this was the most senior title but Camilla wanting to be known as the latter has no bearing on the fact that she will still be Princess of Wales upon her marraige.

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by gaggleofcrazypeople

She won't be called Queen. The current Queen has said so. Besides, I don't think the people would let her become Queen.

The current Queen is a diplomat to the core. She is caught between a rock and a hard place: On the one hand her son's happiness and on the other hand the opinon of the people. The Queen has conceded and allowed for her son to marry his former mistress - she can't seem as to be giving in completely to him by letting him marry Camilla and letting Camilla become Queen.

But the fact is, if Charles and Diana were married right now and Charles became King tomorrow, Diana would automatically become Queen by virtue that she is married to the heir to the throne. Likewise for Camilla. Upon her vows on April 8 she will be married to the heir to the throne and unless there is a move by the government to change hundredsd of years of legislature, Camilla will be queen when Charles becomes king whether people like her or not. Just as William's wife will become queen when he succeeds his father.

Legislature is legislature; you can't pick and choose when and whom you want to apply the law to just because you don't like someone or prefer someone else for the role.

[Gutsy]

The point that has been made is right. It is a matter of law that Camilla will become in fact the Princess of Wales the same way she will become "HRH the Duchess of Cornwall": by virtue of her marriage to the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall. She may choose to be called only HRH Duchess of Cornwall for obvious reasons ( Diana-oloatry ) but it would take an Act of Parliament and/or a public act of the Royal Prerogative to prevent her becoming P'cess of Wales. "A fortiori" the title of "Queen" upon the accession of her husband. This business of "Princess Consort" is my opinion a device..there is no such title; it would have to be created and ratified before Charles' acession. That does not seem in the offing. I do not blame them in that regard; the couple are waiting to see how the public will react to the new Duchess of Cornwall before facing the very real serious questions of depriving her of the title of "Queen."

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

So they are just making up a tilte?

[Warren]

Originally Posted by gaggleofcrazypeople

So they are just making up a tilte?

No. They are not making anything up. They are just choosing to use a subsidiary title.

Which is why the initial announcement said that Camilla would be KNOWN as HRH the Duchess of Cornwall.

[tiaraprin]

How about NO TITLE?? Gee, I know I am living in my fantasy world on this one!

[Warren]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

How about NO TITLE?? Gee, I know I am living in my fantasy world on this one!

'Fraid so.

[Elspeth]

How about NO TITLE?? Gee, I know I am living in my fantasy world on this one!

Not possible. Remember our conversation on the other thread? They wouldn't dare suddenly discover that morganatic marriage is possible legally after all.

If Charles becomes king, Camilla should become queen, but there's a bit of a problem as far as the coronation is concerned. Since this is going to be a civil wedding rather than a church wedding and since Andrew Parker Bowles is still alive, as far as the church is concerned she's still Mrs Parker Bowles with a husband living. I don't see how the Archbishop could possibly crown her under those circumstances. It's possible that the Princess Consort title is a way round a situation where a conservative Archbishop refuses to crown her queen.

I suspect that if Andrew Parker Bowles predeceases Charles and Camilla there'll be a quiet (at least I hope it'd be quiet) church wedding, and then we may see Queen Camilla. While the ex-husband is still alive, I don't see how it's possible if the church is to retain a shred of integrity.

[MoonlightRhapsody]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

I don't see how it's possible if the church is to retain a shred of integrity.

Well, they're way past that now since they lost that last shred when actually plan to bless this union which caused so much heartache for their ex-spouses.

Unfortuately, I conceed that she will have a title should Charles ever get his behind on the throne, but I think she should stick to the title of Duchess of Cornwall. The title of "Princess Consort" gives too much importance to something she has done very little to deserve.

[Elspeth]

When Charles is king, William will automatically become Duke of Cornwall, so Camilla can't use the title Duchess of Cornwall. The title Duchess of Lancaster would be available for her, though.

[susan alicia]

I dislike the mentioning of mr. parker bowles dying before charels and camilla very much, I think it follows that some people in the UK might hope him doing so and that is terrible and

elspeth you put it a bit strong " I don't see how it's possible if the church is to retain a shred of integrity"
surely there are more important things upon which integrity depends.

Originally Posted by Elspeth

I suspect that if Andrew Parker Bowles predeceases Charles and Camilla there'll be a quiet (at least I hope it'd be quiet) church wedding, and then we may see Queen Camilla. While the ex-husband is still alive, I don't see how it's possible if the church is to retain a shred of integrity.