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Old 04-15-2004, 12:16 AM
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Duke of Cornwall is a title that's automatically given to the eldest son of the monarch; Prince of Wales has to be conferred. Duke of Lancaster is a title that's automatic for the monarch (since the monarchs come from the Lancastrian line after the Wars of the Roses).

If Charles marries Camilla before becoming King, she'd be entitled to be called Princess of Wales, but considering what a public-relations disaster that would be, it's very possible (and I think preferable, if Charles wants the monarchy to survive the experience) that she'd take the title Duchess of Cornwall or Countess of Chester or one of the other subsidiary titles rather than holding out for the Princess of Wales title.

Once Charles becomes King, there'd be nothing to stop Camilla being Queen; again, she might opt to take the Duchess of Lancaster title if she wasn't going to take a prominent role in public life.

If she marries Charles while he's Prince of Wales and he dies before becoming King, she'd get to keep her title; since the Wales and Cornwall titles can only be given to the eldest son of the sovereign, William wouldn't inherit them as the Queen's grandson. He'd still be Prince William of Wales (and his wife would be Princess William) until the Queen died, when he'd become King.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:19 AM
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Old 04-15-2004, 03:15 AM
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From what everyone has said it seems that while Camilla may "legally" take the title of Princess of Wales, I think that it is the Queen who has discretionary power over who bears what title. Also with the preservation of the monarchy as the foremost consideration of the Royal Family, it would be wise for Camilla to given the title of Princess of Wales.
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As much as I would hate to see Camilla take the title of Princess of Wales, I believe it would be her right if she married The Prince of Wales. However, if the Queen didn't want to give her that title, I would be overjoyed! :woot:
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The Queen is the Fountain of all Honours. The decision will rest with her and her alone.

The law is that the wife of a British Peer takes his title, style and is ranked along side her husband. Royalty operates under the same system. While Camilla would be legally entitled to be HRH The Princess of Wales (HRH The Duchess of Rothesay in Scotland) I doubt this would be the case. Remember Wallis Simpson she was by all rights fully entitled to be HRH The Duchess of Windsor (and also Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland), however, this is not what happened. The King used his position as founs honourum to alter her status and title.

I would also point out that neither Sarah, Duchess of York nor Diana, Princess of Wales retained any title after their divorces. Those were the common styling for the divorced wives of peers. They are no longer titles but rather mere surnames that carry no rank or position.

Sarah is once again a commoner. Diana, however, remained a member of the royal family (per her divorce agreement) with considerable concessions such as use of the Royal Aircraft, use of the state rooms of ST. James Palace and her apartment in KP. Sarah has non of these concessions and her divorce made no provisions for her to remain a member of the royal family. Though, Diana held no rank despite still being a member of the RF. Diana started her life as The Hon. Diana Spencer then became The Lady Diana Spencer - HRH The Princess of Wales - and remains forever Diana, Princess of Wales.

I suspect Camilla would be known as something unrelated to any of the titles Charles currently holds.

I would also point out that Camilla wouldn't be HRH Camilla, Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall...........it would be HRH The Princess of Wales, The Duchess of cornwall. The absence of the 'the' marks a gigantic change in status. Charles isn't HRH Prince of Wales he is HRH The Prince of Wales. Diana became Diana, Princess of Wales because she was no longer The Princess of Wales nor even a Princess of Wales it was a mere surname. I suppose more accurately a style, if you will. If she were Camilla, Princess of Wales it would imply that she were the ex-wife of a/the Prince of Wales.

What amuses me is how Sarah constantly calls herself The Duchess of York or Sarah, The Duchess of York. Which makes me laugh...that would imply that she were The Duchess of York in her own right or was still married to Andrew. And, she should know better. I remember vividly Sarah saying her daughters were HRH 'The' Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie of York on David Letterman. All I could think was that she knows full well that 'The' is only for the children of a Monarch and that her daughters were HRH Princess with no 'The.'

If William and Harry marry during EIIR reign their wives would become HRH Princess William of Wales and HRH Princess Henry of Wales. Though, I suspect that they will be granted other titles on their marriages. If they marry after their father becomes King their wives will be HRH The Princess William (until he is invested as The Prince of Wales) and HRH The Princess Henry. I don't think a British Prince has remained simpy "Prince Name" after marriage for any of the generations I can think of.

HM may even modernize and allow wives to use their own names in theire titles before the deaths of their spouses. Keeping that in mind, I also think that LP will be issued to allow their children to have the status of HRH Prince/ss. As it stands now, only the firstborn of William will be HRH Prince/ss his other children would be Lord/Lady and commoners. The children of Harry would be Lord/Lady and also commoners. I don't think this will happen as they would start out as commoners and end up as royals eventually when Charles became King. Besides, it would hardly be fair for Will to have one child be HRH Prince Baby1 and then have The Lady Baby2.

Perhaps, the old Windsor Dukedom will be revived for Cammy.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:21 PM
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really OT, but the idea of "Princess Henry of Wales" amuses me because I can never for the life of me remember to call him Henry. He's always Harry :)
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:47 PM
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Perhaps, the old Windsor Dukedom will be revived for Cammy.
I seriously doubt that we will ever see this Dukedom used again especially in these circumstances.
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Old 04-18-2004, 11:00 PM
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I'm not a fan of Camilla either but I don't know why some of you hate her so much. I mean, it takes at least 2 people to have an affair. And from what I know, Diana had one too. Did she do anything besides the affair she had with Charles during his marriage? I don't follow the british family as much as you, so, I may be missing something.
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Old 04-19-2004, 12:18 AM
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I don't hate Camilla. I was merely commenting on the title question. I honestly think they should be allowed to marry with Camilla getting to be HRH of something. I don't think she should be HM Queen Camilla, but then again that isn't up to me.

The situation with King Edward VIII is actually quite similar to that of Charles and Camilla. However, the most important difference in my opinion is that the abdication of Edward was not what the public wanted.



Well, I said Princess Henry because I honestly think Princess Henry sounds better than Princess Harry, JMHO. She would forever be Princess "Hairy" in the press like Sarah was Duchess of Pork. Princess Henry sounds more elegant.

Diana had more than one affair. She had more affairs than Charles did. Charles only had Camilla and Janet.
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:19 AM
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Charles only had Camilla and Janet.
JANET who????
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:28 AM
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Janet Jenkins a Canadian who is quite attractive.


She gave birth to a son who looks remarkably like William 9 months after their last encounter.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:11 AM
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I don't hate Camilla. I was merely commenting on the title question....
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people that called her witch Camilla and the ones that said it would be terrible if she got married or had the princess of wales title, etc. You never showed any sine of "strong dislike".

To the Camilla haters: I'm not judging you, I just want to understand.
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Old 04-19-2004, 10:59 AM
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I read your posts said you wanted Camilla as HM Queen I dont think so! many people dont wanted Camilla as Queen because many people would upset remind of Princess Diana lots! you know that!

or you would getting off that posts! she not Royals! you know Camilla had no history of Royals since she had affair with Prince Charles before Diana Spencer you know that! im kinda serious!

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i forget add one!

I read your posts said you wanted Prince Harry as Prince of Wales i dont think so! but Prince William would be as Prince of Wales after his dad the Prince Charles! you know Prince William would become King one day! i knew it!

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Old 04-20-2004, 08:51 PM
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Harry will be given some titile when he gets married, just like his uncle Duke of York. So Harry's wife will be titled HRH Duchess something. :flower:
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Originally posted by renats+Apr 19th, 2004 - 2:11 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (renats &#064; Apr 19th, 2004 - 2:11 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lalla Meriem@Apr 18th, 2004 - 11:18 pm
I don&#39;t hate Camilla. I was merely commenting on the title question....
I wasn&#39;t talking about you. I was talking about the people that called her witch Camilla and the ones that said it would be terrible if she got married or had the princess of wales title, etc. You never showed any sine of "strong dislike".

To the Camilla haters: I&#39;m not judging you, I just want to understand. [/b][/quote]

yes Diana had more affairs than Charles, but it was Charles and Camilla who first did it and maybe, just maybe, that was also the reason why Diana sought love and affection (that Charles didnt give) from other men. So in a way, Camilla can be blamed as a home wrecker, the men Diana have been with were just a catalyst of the already wrecked home.
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yes Diana had more affairs than Charles, but it was Charles and Camilla who first did it and maybe, just maybe, that was also the reason why Diana sought love and affection (that Charles didnt give) from other men. So in a way, Camilla can be blamed as a home wrecker, the men Diana have been with were just a catalyst of the already wrecked home.
Who did it first makes little different.

Whilst Charles was unfaithful to Diana at least she knew who with&#33;

Charles probably couldn&#39;t be sure who he would find in the marital bed next&#33;

It must have been horrible for William & Harry to have an endless stream of men through the home they shared with their mother. Rather like being the children of some Hollywood stereotype actress.
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Originally posted by wymanda+Apr 22nd, 2004 - 11:55 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wymanda @ Apr 22nd, 2004 - 11:55 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nouwrein@Apr 23rd, 2004 - 12:06 pm
yes Diana had more affairs than Charles, but it was Charles and Camilla who first did it and maybe, just maybe, that was also the reason why Diana sought love& and affection (that Charles didnt give) from other men. So in a way, Camilla can be blamed as a home wrecker, the men Diana have been with were just a catalyst of the already wrecked home.
Who did it first makes little different.

Whilst Charles was unfaithful to Diana at least she knew who with&#33;

Charles probably couldn&#39;t be sure who he would find in the marital bed next&#33;

It must have been horrible for William & Harry to have an endless stream of men through the home they shared with their mother. Rather like being the children of some Hollywood stereotype actress. [/b][/quote]
Diana can be blamed for reacting negatively (or maybe immaturely) thus worsening the problem but my stand has always been that it was Charles who started it all. And for me, it is big deal who started it- its just like a chain reaction, you start a little spark here and, depending on the way the other party reacts, it can start a big fire thats hard to put out.
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yes Diana had more affairs than Charles, but it was Charles and Camilla who first did it and maybe, just maybe, that was also the reason why Diana sought love and affection (that Charles didnt give) from other men. So in a way, Camilla can be blamed as a home wrecker, the men Diana have been with were just a catalyst of the already wrecked home.
I understand that people may blame or not blame Camilla for doing it first. But(for the ones that blame her) what I don&#39;t understand is: Why only Camilla and not Charles too? She didn&#39;t rape him, they both had the affair.

And even the ones that blame him too, don&#39;t seem to be as harsh with him as they are with Camilla.

With stephanie of Monaco for example, I see a different reaction. I never saw anybody blaming the "miss boobs" for the end of their marriage. Everybody blames Daniel.

I personally think that or both of them(Charles and Camilla) should be blamed, or non of them, or only Charles. I don&#39;t have an opinion yet, but I can not understand a way of the fault to be only Camilla&#39;s and not Charles&#39;.
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