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Old 08-24-2007, 09:31 PM
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It does not matter what both Princes say or do.

Then let's boot them out of Highgrove and have a republic. If everything they say is going to be ignored and is worthless, whats the point in having them at all, especially when one is due to be King?
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:39 PM
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I do think the Windsors are in effect telling the world, This is all our family, this is who we are, we are not going to leave one of our own at home conveniently to suit anyone else's pleasure and the rest of the world can take us or leave us.

It is a risky move; but gutsy. Only time will tell if they succeed but I, for one, admire them for it.
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:48 PM
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Well its official Camilla is attending I hope she wears something elegant and walks with her head high. This memorial has turned into a cirus thanks to the media and some over obbesessed Diana fanatics.
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:20 PM
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Dear BeatrixFan,
It has been most kind of you to share your views on my post.
Whatever Princes do or say in regards to accepting their stepmother and not blaming her will not defuse the inherent controversy associated with Duchess of Cornwall. As laid down in Wikipedia (n.d.), Prince William will be “holding a largely ceremonial position of the head of the state”.
As for establishing a new republic, it is up to the subjects of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to decide.
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You miss my point, you said that their views would be ignored whatever they said. Well, if that's the case then surely this affects more than just a guest list?
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:37 PM
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Not necessarily. I think this particular topic is one where people who feel strongly enough won't listen to anyone, especially the princes who they claim to support. If you're dealing with people who refuse to be rational, it's their problem, not the princes' problem.
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:52 PM
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I believe that Princes should never derogate in expressing their anger or any other feelings to “people who refuse to be rational” (Elspeth, 2007).
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Old 08-25-2007, 05:58 AM
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From the Mail article, posted by CDE - Camilla defends her front row seat at Diana service | the Daily Mail
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The document demonstrates that Camilla was concerned about public hostility as far back as January, when details of the service were announced - "Normally the letters you receive from the palace are nothing more than polite acknowledgements of your correspondence," she said". This shows quite clearly, therefore, how rattled Camilla and Clarence House were by the public response to the announcement that she would attend."
Does it, in what way, she was replying nicely to what was probably a vitriolic letter from a Diana nutter of the first order. What clearly escaped this woman(?) was that Camilla was being polite, probably an alien concept to the DC.
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"He (William) has spoken at length about Camilla and says he doesn't believe she broke his parents' marriage up. He says it was solely down to them and the Press.
"He is angry at the way this issue has been allowed to overshadow the service that he and Harry have spent so long organising.
And quite right to, that he is angry at the thoughtless few!
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:19 AM
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I believe that Princes should never derogate in expressing their anger or any other feelings to “people who refuse to be rational” (Elspeth, 2007).
I'm not quite sure if all members know the meaning of the word derogate, Al_bina. It means to belittle someone or insult disparagingly. I disagree with your use of derogate; I don't think that the Princes are insulting or belittling the Diana circle by exclaiming anger at their actions. They are simply expressing anger that in the name of Diana, the Diana circle has taken to attack another one of their family members. It is quite natural to feel and express anger towards an outsider if a member of one's family is attacked. If the Princes' anger is excessive then yes I would think it is damaging to their reputation but their anger doesn't seem excessive.

I think the custom of family loyalty is common to all countries and cultures.
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:57 AM
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I'm not quite sure if all members know the meaning of the word derogate, Al_bina. It means to belittle someone or insult disparagingly. I disagree with your use of derogate; I don't think that the Princes are insulting or belittling the Diana circle by exclaiming anger at their actions. They are simply expressing anger that in the name of Diana, the Diana circle has taken to attack another one of their family members. It is quite natural to feel and express anger towards an outsider if a member of one's family is attacked. If the Princes' anger is excessive then yes I would think it is damaging to their reputation but their anger doesn't seem excessive.

I think the custom of family loyalty is common to all countries and cultures.
i couldn't agree more. when an outsider attacks a member of one's family it's natural (in most cases) for the family to close ranks and protect the one being attacked. the boys clearly love and respect the duchess and feel protective of her. if they let this criticism go by without responding then i think we could accurately assume that they felt otherwise but that's not the case. i think we all agree that the boys are diana's greatest legacy and are the only ones that can/should speak for her now. having said that, when they show their acceptance of their father's wife into their lives why can't the public do the same?? is it the place of those who attack the duchess to do so? i don't think it is. think about your own lives...if they were played out in the media would you care what the public thought?
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Old 08-25-2007, 01:50 PM
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The Duchess shouldn't have to stoop to explain herself to the Diana Circle of all people. She's a Princess of the Realm for goodness sake. We didn't build an Empire by kow-towing to plebians like Mrs Funnell.
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:14 PM
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It has been most kind of you to educate me on the meaning of the phrasal verb “derogate”. However, “to derogate in doing smth” implies “to demean oneself by doing smth”.
Presence of Duchess of Cornwall has been doomed to stir up controversies from the onset. The Princess Diana loyalists regard a mere presence of THAT WOMAN as the ultimate disrespect because the Princess put the blame for the failed marriage upon THAT WOMAN. At the same time, Prince William and Prince Harry have already sent a clear message to the public on multiple occasions that they have accepted their stepmother.
Under the inherently controversial circumstances, I believe that both Princes should refrain from showing any emotional responses or putting forth their eloquence to explain reasons/causes. Aristocrats are expected to show their emotions as less as possible (my grandmother used to say it to me). Such actions should serve as indication to those people, who do not wish to understand and /or accept facts, that this topic is closed for discussions.
As for Duchess of Cornwall’s explanation letter, she has brewed the situation for herself and let her explain and justify her actions to the public. It is rather entertaining to see.
Summing the said up, it is nice to know that the male part of the population is blessed with such forgiving nature ….
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It has been most kind of you to educate me on the meaning of the phrasal verb “derogate”. However, “to derogate in doing smth” implies “to demean oneself by doing smth”.
Presence of Duchess of Cornwall has been doomed to stir up controversies from the onset. The Princess Diana loyalists regard a mere presence of THAT WOMAN as the ultimate disrespect because the Princess put the blame for the failed marriage upon THAT WOMAN.
It really is demeaning to have to read how somebody who claims to be educated can steep as low as calling a Royal Highness personally unknown to her "THAT WOMAN only because of somebody else as personally unknown to her as HRH is said so. I wish we would not be subjected to such a display of a love of hearsay in connection with at least questionable manners.
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The Duchess shouldn't have to stoop to explain herself to the Diana Circle of all people. She's a Princess of the Realm for goodness sake. We didn't build an Empire by kow-towing to plebians like Mrs Funnell.
But I really like the way HRH tries to calm the waters on knowing that she will always be a controversial person when it comes to her stepsons - she is willing to do it in order to save her stepsons pain - I like that! But you are right, of course.
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Old 08-25-2007, 04:49 PM
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It really is demeaning to have to read how somebody who claims to be educated can steep as low as calling a Royal Highness personally unknown to her "THAT WOMAN only because of somebody else as personally unknown to her as HRH is said so. I wish we would not be subjected to such a display of a love of hearsay in connection with at least questionable manners.
Dear Jo of Palatine,
I have got a few acid comments of my posts, but I have never accused any Forum member of being ill-bred. So I do not feel that I should be subjected to such comments from you. You do not know me personally to question my manners. I am sorry for not getting the positive and shiny aura that Duchess of Cornwall spreads around her. I have just expressed my opinion with the WORDS that would better reflect my thoughts.
Although I feel offended, I am educated enough to understand that you simply do not care about my feellings much.
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Old 08-25-2007, 05:03 PM
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My thoughts on the Duchess attending the service. First, it is imperative that the Duchess be seen supporting Prince William and Harry whatever they may do. Secondly, she is the wife of their father and no matter what feelings from the past may surface, she is invited as a matter of politeness. The focus is not on Camilla for the hour but on the healing and comforting of the still mourning and a celebration of the life of the late princess.

Now...the Windsors have an uncanny way of showing "kindness" when buckets of bitterness remain as the exemptions of certain other former royal spouses and friends and employees of the late Princess can attest. I have more of an issue of the exclusions of invitees rather than the inclusions like Camilla......

Above, all let us all remember this is a service in a holy and consecrated place. Miracles happen when holy words are spoken and received. Perhaps Camilla will be so moved by the service she will incorporate some of the best traits of the late Princess into her own persona...or the words will fall like heaps of buring coal upon her consciousness....
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Perhaps Camilla will be so moved by the service she will incorporate some of the best traits of the late Princess into her own persona..
To many, myself included, Camilla already possessed and possesses all the best traits needed to be the wife of the future King.
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Old 08-25-2007, 05:27 PM
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Why of course she does.....but I give that thought voice to those who still fail to focus on the living and errantly compare the past to the present.

My wish for Camilla is that she is seen for who she is and what she wants to become without petty comparisons. Prince Charles will be reflected historically by both women who were his wives. My view is that we remember the past by respecting the present with healing words in a place of holiness.
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It has been most kind of you to educate me on the meaning of the phrasal verb “derogate”. However, “to derogate in doing smth” implies “to demean oneself by doing smth”..
Al_bina, I (ysbel) gave the definition of derogate; not Elspeth and I gave the definition not to disparage your education but because the majority of members here at The Royal Forums aren't familiar with the term derogate. The more common term we use in English is denigrate and both terms mean approximately the same thing. In English, however, the reflexive pronoun is required for both verbs to have the meaning you intended and you didn't use the reflexive pronoun which caused some confusion among our members as to what you meant.

This mistake is understandable, English is not your first language; no one is making fun of you here but that's why I misunderstood you.

Thanks for clariyfing your meaning, however, I'm afraid I still disagree. If Camilla attends a family event which some elements of the public criticize her for, I think she supports her family and the act does not at all demean her or the family who defends her against the criticism.

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Aristocrats are expected to show their emotions as less as possible (my grandmother used to say it to me).
If you think aristocrats should show no emotion then I wonder what is your opinion of Diana who displayed a lot of emotion both in public and in private.

I think William and Harry showed relatively less emotion than their mother in their last display of anger.
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I understand what you mean pinkie. Thanks for sharing and welcome to The Royal Forums!
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