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Old 08-15-2007, 12:50 AM
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IMO Sophie would not have been involved in any aspect of Diana's funeral due to the fact that she was only Prince Edward's girlfriend at the time. Their engagement was announced in January 1999 and married 19 June 1999. Yes, I do suspect that their engagement/wedding were put on hold after Diana's death.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:19 AM
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Diana knew of Sophie before her death.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:22 AM
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It was one of the rumours flying around at the time of the funeral. Since Edward and Sophie weren't engaged at the time, it might just have been thought that her presence at the funeral would have been distracting.
Yes, I find that very understandable. I did question, though, the poster's allegation that her absence was because she resembled the ex-Princess of Wales. Hopefully, it wasn't her fair hair. complexion, or the color of her eyes that made it distracting.

She was, though, very prominently with Prince Edward and the rest of the royal family at the decommissioning of the Britannia three month later.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:40 AM
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The only resemblance Sophie had to the Princess of Wales was her hairstyle and nothing else.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:41 AM
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Your last statement shows me that you are a RC.

Why?

Because as Anglicans we beleive that the only way to Heaven is through the Grace of God - not works or anything else - that was one of the reasons for the Reformation - the teachings of the RC church that you could work and/or buy your way to heaven. Martin Luther and the other reformists really pointed out that the idea of works wasn't the way to Heaven but Grace of God only. The Bible clearly says that it is through Grace alone - try Ephesians Chapter 2 Verses 1 - 10.

As for Diana doing good works - sure - but she was also an adulterer.

I wonder if she actually sought forgiveness for her sin of adultery! We, of course will never know as that would be between her and God alone.

We know that Charles and Camilla have publicly asked for this forgiveness - they did so at their blessing of their marriage.

True repentance however is within the heart and for any of these people their is only one entity who truly knows if they are sorry - and that is God who will be the ultimate judge on their repentance and their right to join Him in Heaven based on His Grace regardless of other things done in their lifetime.
no i dont belong to rc church or any other organized christian faith. i belong to a evangelican (and biblical) church but that doest matter

the thing is

A fall in love with B
B loved C but didnt fight for C and married A
B cheated on A with C
A hurted herself because she was despaired with her life (despair caused by B and C)
after, A cheated on B with D, E,...
A and B divorced
A dies
B and C got married
C attends to A's memorial service...........

Sorry guys but is this a joke?
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:08 AM
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Diana knew of Sophie before her death.
Yes, it's true that Sophie and Diana knew each other socially, but I don't think they knew each other beyond the most polite social terms. That is to say, I think they were not particular friends. I wouldn't have been surprised at Sophie's presence at the funeral (for I think many people there, especially the celebrities, only knew Diana in polite social terms, if that, I mean why was Tom Cruise there?) but it's not any real wonder why she wasn't there, as she wasn't engaged to Prince Edward and there were so many other people that "had" to be there for various reasons.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:09 PM
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Sorry guys but is this a joke?
No, it's how civilised, non-judgemental people handle a non-nuclear family situation.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:40 PM
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no i dont belong to rc church or any other organized christian faith i belong to a evangelican (and biblical) church but that doest matter
A fall in love with B
B loved C but didnt fight for C and married A
B cheated on A with C
A hurted herself because she was despaired with her life (despair caused by B and C)
after, A cheated on B with D, E,...
A and B divorced
A dies
B and C got married
C attends to A's memorial service...........

Sorry guys but is this a joke?
I wonder how Susan Mannakee feels about this memorial to the woman that allegedly had an affair with her husband, or how the children of Barry and Susan felt about A's confession of an affair.
Diana: 'Bodyguard killed for our affair' | the Daily Mail
Note the fact that according to the Settelen tapes, all this happened before B cheated with C.
Then ask yourself how the wives and girlfriends of D, E, F, G, H, J, K etc feel about this memorial service.

Let us hope they are christian enough to forgive Diana for the 'sins' she committed against them!

Let's also hope that William and Harry are also christian enough to forgive all the people that are trying to disrupt their attempt to remember all the good from their dead mothers life and unite their extended family.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:54 PM
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no i dont belong to rc church or any other organized christian faith. i belong to a evangelican (and biblical) church but that doest matter

the thing is

A fall in love with B
B loved C but didnt fight for C and married A
B cheated on A with C
A hurted herself because she was despaired with her life (despair caused by B and C)
after, A cheated on B with D, E,...
A and B divorced
A dies
B and C got married
C attends to A's memorial service...........

Sorry guys but is this a joke?
another thing is:
.....
B and C got married
H and W ( the sons of A and B ) love their stepmother C
B, C together with H and W and L and T ( C´s children) are a happy patchwork family now
C attends to A´s memorial service ( because H and W invited her)

Sorry but is there any problem?
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:54 PM
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Then ask yourself how the wives and girlfriends of D, E, F, G, H, J, K etc feel about this memorial service.

Let us hope they are christian enough to forgive Diana for the 'sins' she committed against them!
Wait a minute, Diana didn't force the husband of D,E,F etc. to go with her. In an affair you are 2. It's their husband who also need to be forgiven. Excuse me but taking it only on Diana is not really fair.
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Old 08-15-2007, 05:08 PM
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Wait a minute, Diana didn't force the husband of D,E,F etc. to go with her. In an affair you are 2. It's their husband who also need to be forgiven. Excuse me but taking it only on Diana is not really fair.
Well I don't think we should call the wives of D, E, F to this discussion. After all they won't be attend the Memorial Service .

I think Camilla and Charles made strong mistakes in the past and to be honest I am not their greatest fan but it's not fair to be always remembering that Camilla and Charles made Diana suffer.
Aquarela, when they got married Diana was dead. I think you are forgeting that.
Charles allowed and supported that William and Harry celebrate Diana's life in the Concert they organized. Now tell me, if Charles had died and Diana was alived: do you think Diana would allow her children organize a concert in Charles's memory? In fact, we don't know, we can't answer that but I doubt it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:31 PM
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If Diana Hadn´t died, why not had allowed her children organize a concert for Charles.

The situation is that Princess Diana is dead. It´s common to invent a lot of things.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:03 PM
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Wait a minute, Diana didn't force the husband of D,E,F etc. to go with her. In an affair you are 2. It's their husband who also need to be forgiven. Excuse me but taking it only on Diana is not really fair.
Isn't that what the Diana fans are doing, blaming it all on Camilla, whilst Charles and Diana are portrayed as innocent bystanders?
Did anyone even read the Mail article, listen to the Settelen tapes etc. According to the tapes, on which

Diana is said to confess to an affair with the married detective and claims he was targeted by security service agents as a result. The affair is alleged to have taken place in 1985 - four years into Diana's marriage and several months before Prince Charles re-established contact with Camilla.
If that is indeed true, then Camilla can hardly be blamed for any unhappiness in Diana's marriage.
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ll I don't think we should call the wives of D, E, F to this discussion
Why not, some people are saying how hurt Diana was by Camilla, what about the hurt caused to these women, are they unimportant because it was Diana causing the hurt?

If you are going to condemn Camilla for sleeping with Diana's husband, then surely you have no option but to condemn Diana for sleeping with the husbands of these women.
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Isn't that what the Diana fans are doing, blaming it all on Camilla, whilst Charles and Diana are portrayed as innocent bystanders?
Did anyone even read the Mail article, listen to the Settelen tapes etc. According to the tapes, on which

Diana is said to confess to an affair with the married detective and claims he was targeted by security service agents as a result. The affair is alleged to have taken place in 1985 - four years into Diana's marriage and several months before Prince Charles re-established contact with Camilla.
If that is indeed true, then Camilla can hardly be blamed for any unhappiness in Diana's marriage.
I'm not saying the contrary or blaming Camilla. It's just that blaming only Diana for having affairs with married men is easy. Those men weren't force to go with her, so the wives should think of why did they had this affair and don't take it all on the Princess don't you think ?

Anyways, I never said that all her sadness was caused by Camilla. Diana was sad in her marriage from the beggining, Camilla or not. Charles wasn't the guy for her. Camilla was just the surface, beneath it there was many more problems.
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Those men weren't force to go with her, so the wives should think of why did they had this affair and don't take it all on the Princess don't you think ?
It's funny though how people who use this line of reasoning don't apply the same logic to Charles and Camilla. It does seem there'll always be some excuse found to justify Diana's actions.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:14 PM
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no i dont belong to rc church or any other organized christian faith. i belong to a evangelican (and biblical) church but that doest matter

the thing is

A fall in love with B
B loved C but didnt fight for C and married A
B cheated on A with C
A hurted herself because she was despaired with her life (despair caused by B and C)
after, A cheated on B with D, E,...
A and B divorced
A dies
B and C got married
C attends to A's memorial service...........

Sorry guys but is this a joke?
so is it safe to say that you, in no way shape or form would forgive camilla for her marital infidelity with charles? then in no way shape or form should you be willing to forgive diana for her marital infidelities whether she was the first to be unfaithful (which according to some people was the first one to be unfaithful). this wasn't our marriage and none of the people involved have asked us for our forgiveness.
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(which according to some people was the first one to be unfaithful).
People of any real credible knowledge or sourcing?

Personally, I'd be very surprised if it were Diana who was unfaithful first.
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It's funny though how people who use this line of reasoning don't apply the same logic to Charles and Camilla. It does seem there'll always be some excuse found to justify Diana's actions.
Well if Charles went for Camilla it was because he wasn't happy with Diana. I'm not so stupid to think otherwise. It's not excuses, it's being fair. And I know people are not fair like we try to be discussing this point, if they were they would respect Camilla and stop pulling her down.
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But does it matter who did what first and why? It happened, it's over and there's point living everyday yearning for a yesterday that will never come. With all the hurt and pain in this silly old world of ours, what can we gain from defending people we never knew and never will know? I've been perhaps too tough on Diana and when I look at it from afar, there really is no reason to be just as there's no reason for people to be tough on Camilla. You know, Brooke Astor died this week and she lived to 105. When she died, she left her mark on New York and was hailed as making every day count. I'd rather like to follow her example and so instead of us all building a fort to throw ammo for a side we have no cause to defend so passionately, why don't we call the past the past, drop the blame game and try to make life a little better for someone else? You know, I don't agree with everything Diana did but I believe the main cause for her unofficial Sainthood was her charity work yes? Well, instead of her supporters and followers taking up arms against Charles and Camilla with such enthusiasm, why don't they channel that enthusiasm into one of Diana's charities? Because you know, as we sit here popping at each other, there's children dying in the third world who'd actually consider our arguments really quite trivial. I believe that instead of engaging in full blown warfare on behalf of people we have no right to judge, we should instead turn our attention to something much more important and then when we shuffle off this mortal coil, we can say, "We changed something" rather than "We spent our lives bitching over three people we never met, we never spoke too and who never really cared what we thought about them anyway!". Sermon over.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:53 PM
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It's funny though how people who use this line of reasoning don't apply the same logic to Charles and Camilla. It does seem there'll always be some excuse found to justify Diana's actions.
I'm really beginning to agree with this BeatrixFan.

It seems that if someone hurt Diana, then they are a bad person and should not go to Diana's memorial out of respect; however if Diana hurt someone else, that person should look within themselves to see where they themselves caused their own pain that they falsely accuse Diana of causing them and they should stop blaming Diana.

I'm beginning to believe that Diana was not made of flesh and blood but of Teflon!

This way lies madness; there's no rhyme or reason in this way of thinking!
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