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Old 03-11-2016, 07:46 AM
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I agree with what has been said above. The time was different, especially inside the rigid society of the british monarchy. I just think that the queen did what she could as a mother. She comes from a different mindset and it must have been difficult to find a balance between motherhood and the importan role of a Queen. Much more that it is nowadays. This, don't undervalued how Charles must have felt as a child; I think he did suffer from his mother's absence and maybe lack of physical affection. It was just so very different and I can't feel like judging the parents nor Charles. Being a parent is the toughest task in the world.
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Old 03-11-2016, 08:05 AM
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I agree with what has been said above. The time was different, especially inside the rigid society of the british monarchy. I just think that the queen did what she could as a mother. She comes from a different mindset and it must have been difficult to find a balance between motherhood and the importan role of a Queen. Much more that it is nowadays. This, don't undervalued how Charles must have felt as a child; I think he did suffer from his mother's absence and maybe lack of physical affection. It was just so very different and I can't feel like judging the parents nor Charles. Being a parent is the toughest task in the world.
True, The Queen obviously loved her children, but things were different in those days. Charles is very sensitive and felt different about these kind of things. He like to reflect on those carefree childhood days now, because I think he's grown to understand the situation better.

I also think this is one of the reasons why everyone noticed the different way Diana raised her children. The media and people didn't see a female member of the royal family pour so much love and affection onto her children like that before.
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Old 03-11-2016, 08:06 AM
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Charles is a very complex and sensitive man.
I think the Queen may not be a demonstrative parent, and he probably felt hurt by that.

Then too, Charles hated his school and the Queen left such decisions to Phillip. It wouldn't be unusual if lingering resentment about that overshadowed happier memories.

(Personally I feel they should have taken Charles' feelings into account and switched schools, instead of just expecting him to deal with it. But I always think Phillip is the type who can't see any POV other than his own).
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Old 03-11-2016, 08:43 AM
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Philip had a horrible childhood. He father ran off. His mum had a mental breakdown and was hospitalized. He was shuffled off to various relations. His favorite sister and her family died in a plane crash. That would have to effect him.

Parental attitudes in the 1950s are much different than today. Maybe Philip was trying to tough up Charles. He being raised in palaces with nannies, devoted Granny. It would be easy to become a spoiled brat.

I find it interesting that only Charles complained. Anne who went through the early years of the reign doesn't. Neither do Andrew and Edward and the grandkids speak glowingly of their grandparents.




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Old 03-11-2016, 11:11 AM
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Philip had a horrible childhood. He father ran off. His mum had a mental breakdown and was hospitalized. He was shuffled off to various relations. His favorite sister and her family died in a plane crash. That would have to effect him.

Parental attitudes in the 1950s are much different than today. Maybe Philip was trying to tough up Charles. He being raised in palaces with nannies, devoted Granny. It would be easy to become a spoiled brat.

I find it interesting that only Charles complained. Anne who went through the early years of the reign doesn't. Neither do Andrew and Edward and the grandkids speak glowingly of their grandparents.




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Different children see things differently and one side doesn't have to be more right than the other. For example my dad and one aunt have a lot to say about their upbringing by two very loving but also strict and temperamental working-class parents while on the other hand my other aunt has told me several times how she's never understood what they're complaining about. According to her they had a good, although poor upbringing, by two parents who put their children's welfare before anything else but had trouble expressing emotions between themselves.


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Old 03-11-2016, 11:18 AM
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Philip had a horrible childhood. He father ran off. His mum had a mental breakdown and was hospitalized. He was shuffled off to various relations. His favorite sister and her family died in a plane crash. That would have to effect him.

Parental attitudes in the 1950s are much different than today. Maybe Philip was trying to tough up Charles. He being raised in palaces with nannies, devoted Granny. It would be easy to become a spoiled brat.

I find it interesting that only Charles complained. Anne who went through the early years of the reign doesn't. Neither do Andrew and Edward and the grandkids speak glowingly of their grandparents.



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Not fond of parents who try to toughen up their children. It sometimes verges on abuse.

As far as Charles being the only one, well, children differ and he may have been more sensitive than his siblings.
(Of course, a cynic might think that Charles is also more financially independent).
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Old 03-11-2016, 12:01 PM
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Parental attitudes in the 1950s are much different than today. Maybe Philip was trying to tough up Charles. He being raised in palaces with nannies, devoted Granny. It would be easy to become a spoiled brat.

I find it interesting that only Charles complained. Anne who went through the early years of the reign doesn't. Neither do Andrew and Edward and the grandkids speak glowingly of their grandparents.
1. This is a Richard Kay and Geoffrey Levy story. They must have a quota to fill with all the old trash they have 'writing'.

2. When did Charles complain?

3. What were his exact words?

4. Is it on video?

5. Was this from the Dimbleby book?
If so, Dimbleby gave his own spin on things rather than take the information given.
He was caught out by Lucia Santa Cruz when he implied she was more than just a friend.
She sued him.

6. Princess Anne during the Jubilee tribute to the Queen voiced the same opinion as Charles.
Her comments are on video.

If both are on video then we can compare but this is just a no story made to stir comments and for Richard Kay to meet his quota.

I suggest we start a thread for all the incorrect info that Richard Kay and his friends at the DM write.
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Old 03-11-2016, 05:28 PM
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A cold, distant mother? Come off it, Charles:
For the millionth time: Charles have never called the Queen (his darling mama as he calls her) a cold, distant mother. This is just Richard Kay and Geoffrey Levy trying to get Charles look bad again.

And to those who says that the Queen is not an emotional woman, don't know what they are talking about.

This was also discussed in the Queen Elizabeth as Monarch, Mother and Grandmother thread in august last year.

And here are some of the posts that I and others posted:

The Queen with her children and grandchildren. There are also many pictures of her with Charles, but I didn't find them:
Queen Elizabeth as Monarch, Mother and Grandmother

Videos of the Queen with her children and grandchildren:
Queen Elizabeth as Monarch, Mother and Grandmother

Prince Charles pays tribute to the Queen on the occasion of her Golden Jubilee, 80th birthday and Diamond Jubilee:
Queen Elizabeth as Monarch, Mother and Grandmother

The Queen showing emotions:
Queen Elizabeth as Monarch, Mother and Grandmother

Look at what the children/grandchildren says (not posted here) and look at what William wrote about her last year (posted here):
Queen Elizabeth II Becomes Longest Reigning British Monarch: September 9, 2015

Look at what former staffers have said (posted here) and look what Prime Ministers/ have said, even Paul Burrell and Diana's mother (not posted here):
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1756176

And from today:
The Royal Household, Courtiers, Advisers and Attendants

I could have given many more examples.

The Queen was not a 'hands on' mother, but as the children and the most reliable former staffers have said, she was a warm/caring mother.

This post became a bit messy when I posted it, so I've edited it.
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Old 03-11-2016, 07:17 PM
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I think the issue was that QE2 and Princess Margaret were tutored at home and everyone they interacted with were met at the palace, and with that mindset. Charles however went off to school. Other children were interacted with in a public environment, and I'm sure he saw the parents coming to school to pickup their children and showing affection as parents outside of the palace did, and do. It's one thing if lol you see is the environment of the palace, it is another if you see the rest of the world. You don't miss what you don't know exists.
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The Queen was raised to never show emotion in public. And that is who she has become. I am sure she loves her children and grandchildren. She has no outward emotion to show. When she was young, and just returned from a long trip, she shook Prince Charles' hand. Most bizarre for a mother. And did he miss a mother's hugs and attention. Yes. Is he poorer for it. Yes. I think Camilla has given him some of that which he has never had.
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:52 PM
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Daily Mail is only consistent in its inconsistency.

Article by Richard Kay saying Queen wonderful mother and Charles should "come off it"

Article by Richard Kay (either day after or 2 days) saying that the reason the Queen is letting William be a part time royal because she feels she didn't spend enough time with her children.

Its all piffle but it isn't consistent
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Old 03-11-2016, 11:29 PM
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The Queen was raised to never show emotion in public. And that is who she has become. I am sure she loves her children and grandchildren. She has no outward emotion to show. When she was young, and just returned from a long trip, she shook Prince Charles' hand. Most bizarre for a mother. And did he miss a mother's hugs and attention. Yes. Is he poorer for it. Yes. I think Camilla has given him some of that which he has never had.
Can I ask you: Are you saying that the hundreds of pictures and the many videos that exist/existed are false?

Are you saying that the royal family, former staffers, former prime ministers, other monarchs/royals and presidents etc are lying?

The Queen has shown her outward emotions several times both in private and public, and you would have known that, if you had read some of the posts that I've posted in my post above.
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That photo of him shaking his mothers hand after she had been gone for months is one of the saddest royal photos I've seen coming second after the Will and Harry photo walking behind their mothers coffin I know it's been discussed many times here and I know all about different times etc but I still find it truly sad.


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Old 03-12-2016, 12:22 AM
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That photo of him shaking his mothers hand after she had been gone for months is one of the saddest royal photos I've seen coming second after the Will and Harry photo walking behind their mothers coffin I know it's been discussed many times here and I know all about different times etc but I still find it truly sad.


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The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that this was done on purpose to acclimate Charles on how he's expected to act when he's in public with his mother and she is in Queen mode. From what I could tell in the photo, he is standing there sedately and "behaving proper like" as his mother approaches. For all we know, it could have been rehearsed back in the nursery on how he was to behave at that given time. HM was greeting many people and the proper protocol had to have been followed.

There are many, many videos and snapshots of Charles with his parents when they're having a fun time and goofing around. The home movies that Charles presented during the documentary he did about his mother come to mind. He got quite emotional watching those.
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:28 AM
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Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip arrives home from their Canadian and Washington tour in 1951 - Se from 2:50 when she meets Prince Charles. He was a bit shy because he hadn't seen her for a long time:
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True, The Queen obviously loved her children, but things were different in those days. Charles is very sensitive and felt different about these kind of things. He like to reflect on those carefree childhood days now, because I think he's grown to understand the situation better.

I also think this is one of the reasons why everyone noticed the different way Diana raised her children. The media and people didn't see a female member of the royal family pour so much love and affection onto her children like that before.
I know that many have said that Anne has another perspective on her childhood, but each kid is different and, as you say, as a different sensitiveness. Plus, Charles was the heir, and I bet that at that time he was being treated/educated differently from early on.

Diana is a totally different matter here, and I'll risk drifting off topic. I just think that comparisons are not even possbile. Different women, diffrent era, different roles etc.
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To me the most interesting thing about the most recent article is its take on the relationship between Anne and the Queen, probably one of the least commented upon between the Queen and one of her children. We hear lots about Philip and Anne being close and Andrew and Edward being close to the Queen and Charles being perhaps bit distant but rarely do people mention Anne and The Queen.
Its interesting to read that Anne and The Queen spoke regularly during the Charles/Diana years, I can only imagine the sort of advice Anne would have given!
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To me the most interesting thing about the most recent article is its take on the relationship between Anne and the Queen, probably one of the least commented upon between the Queen and one of her children. We hear lots about Philip and Anne being close and Andrew and Edward being close to the Queen and Charles being perhaps bit distant but rarely do people mention Anne and The Queen.
Its interesting to read that Anne and The Queen spoke regularly during the Charles/Diana years, I can only imagine the sort of advice Anne would have given!
I think during that period, Anne would have sought out her mother's advice in regards to her own relationship that was falling apart rather than have opinions on Charles and Diana. With her own separation and subsequent divorce from Mark Phillips in 1992, she had her own troubles to worry about.
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I love this picture - The Queen with Prince Charles at Balmoral in 1952:

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The Queen was raised to never show emotion in public. And that is who she has become. I am sure she loves her children and grandchildren. She has no outward emotion to show. When she was young, and just returned from a long trip, she shook Prince Charles' hand. Most bizarre for a mother. And did he miss a mother's hugs and attention. Yes. Is he poorer for it. Yes. I think Camilla has given him some of that which he has never had.
I remember reading somewhere that the Queen supposedly told a friend that she didn't dare hug Charles that day because she knew she'd break down. There was a bit of a kerfuffle in the gutter press at the time and the Queen was supposedly quite hurt. I can't remember where I read that though.
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