Relationship of the Royal Family with The Duchess of Cornwall?

[HMQueenElizabethII]

As The Duchess of Cornwall has become a member of the Royal Family for 3 months and had appeared together with other members of the Royal Family several times,so giving your opinion that how do you think of the relationship between other members of the Royal Family with the Duchess of Cornwall?

[HMQueenElizabethII]

For me i'm still not sure about the Queen and the Duchess of Cornwall.Before the wedding we often thought that The Queen did not like the Duchess but now after the Wedding,the Queen already allows the Duchess to appear together with the Royal Family on official events like Trooping the Colour,the Order of the Garter,Royal Ascot or the recently 60th anniversary of the end of World War the Second.But it also might be that the Queen allows but it does not mean that she likes the Duchess.
I know that the Queen really loves Prince Charles much.And i think that Prince Charles insists the Queen to allow the Duchess to appear together with the Royal Family.

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII

For me i'm still not sure about the Queen and the Duchess of Cornwall.Before the wedding we often thought that The Queen did not like the Duchess but now after the Wedding,the Queen already allows the Duchess to appear together with the Royal Family on official events like Trooping the Colour,the Order of the Garter,Royal Ascot or the recently 60th anniversary of the end of World War the Second.But it also might be that the Queen allows but it does not mean that she likes the Duchess.

Before Camilla's engagement to Charles, there would've been no reason for Camilla to appear alongside him at official events or to have made an appearance on the balcony. She had no official role in his life in connection to his work as the Prince of Wales. But now as the Duchess of Cornwall, Camilla represents the monarchy as any of the other members of the royal household do, such as Princess Anne, the Earl and Countess of Wessex, Princess Alexandra, etc.

As for the Queen and Camilla's personal relationship, in the 70s, Camilla and the Queen's social circles overlapped a fair amount as they were both into equestrian events and such related activity. I don't think they ever socialized extensively then but they certainly had many known acquantiances in common.

I'm sure the Queen does not like the actions of her own son and Camilla in carrying on an affair and dragging the monarchy through such a scandal. But I've heard from a variety of sources that as the Queen and Camilla's personalities are quite similar and they both share a great love of the country and horses, had it not been for the affair, Camilla and the Queen could've been very good friends.

[Mary Wellesley]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

Before Camilla's engagement to Charles, there would've been no reason for Camilla to appear alongside him at official events or to have made an appearance on the balcony. She had no official role in his life in connection to his work as the Prince of Wales. But now as the Duchess of Cornwall, Camilla represents the monarchy as any of the other members of the royal household do, such as Princess Anne, the Earl and Countess of Wessex, Princess Alexandra, etc.

As for the Queen and Camilla's personal relationship, in the 70s, Camilla and the Queen's social circles overlapped a fair amount as they were both into equestrian events and such related activity. I don't think they ever socialized extensively then but they certainly had many known acquantiances in common.

I'm sure the Queen does not like the actions of her own son and Camilla in carrying on an affair and dragging the monarchy through such a scandal. But I've heard from a variety of sources that as the Queen and Camilla's personalities are quite similar and they both share a great love of the country and horses, had it not been for the affair, Camilla and the Queen could've been very good friends.

As the Queen has put duty before personal happiness all her life I don't know if she would agree her personality and Camilla's are similar.There was a programme on U.K television that said we marry the person who looks like our primary care giver in infancy.Camilla's face was superimposed on Charles's old nanny Mabel Anderson.It was spooky they are so alike.Charles has married his nanny,mother figure,lover all rolled into one,but does that make her Queen material?

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Mary Wellesley

As the Queen has put duty before personal happiness all her life I don't know if she would agree her personality and Camilla's are similar.There was a programme on U.K television that said we marry the person who looks like our primary care giver in infancy.Camilla's face was superimposed on Charles's old nanny Mabel Anderson.It was spooky they are so alike.Charles has married his nanny,mother figure,lover all rolled into one,but does that make her Queen material?

So based on a television program you are now asserting that Charles has married his nanny? Spooky indeed.

[BeatrixFan]

There was a programme on U.K television that said we marry the person who looks like our primary care giver in infancy

Very interesting. I was looked after by a nanny and yet I'm gay. I don't remember my nanny being particularly butch or looking like Leonardo Di Caprio so that theory has a few problems to it.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Very interesting. I was looked after by a nanny and yet I'm gay. I don't remember my nanny being particularly butch or looking like Leonardo Di Caprio so that theory has a few problems to it.

What happens if you didn't have a nanny, does this mean you don't get married. What if your principle carer was your mum, does this mean you will be lesbians? All the quotes from Mary seem to have come from a forum that the mirror ran until a few weeks ago. All of the arguements against Camilla were made up by members of the Diana circle who posted on the site.

Princess Anne regularly rode out with Camilla for years. I don't think the Queen was against Camilla, she knew that she had to introduce her regard for her slowly.
As I understand it, Clarence House advisors and the Queen told them they had to marry or part, (Jonathon Dimbleby programme a few weeks ago). They felt people would not accept a King with a mistress at his side, if anything happened to the Queen.
Charles was also annoyed that because of protocol at a society wedding, as they were unmarried they were seated apart and the only way to stop this ever happening again, was to marry.
Having said that I believe they married because they are so much in love!
Does Mary have the date of the Daily Mail article, my friend has lots of old copies I can look through (she uses them to put in the dogs kennels).

[love_cc]

Originally Posted by Mary Wellesley

As the Queen has put duty before personal happiness all her life I don't know if she would agree her personality and Camilla's are similar.There was a programme on U.K television that said we marry the person who looks like our primary care giver in infancy.Camilla's face was superimposed on Charles's old nanny Mabel Anderson.It was spooky they are so alike.Charles has married his nanny,mother figure,lover all rolled into one,but does that make her Queen material?

The nanny in the photo was not Mable Anderson. I saw the photo from Dimblebly's book and the note. It is Camilla's personality attracting Charles. Her warmth, understanding and steadiness, optimism, and humor.

[Duchess]

Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII

For me i'm still not sure about the Queen and the Duchess of Cornwall.Before the wedding we often thought that The Queen did not like the Duchess but now after the Wedding,the Queen already allows the Duchess to appear together with the Royal Family on official events like Trooping the Colour,the Order of the Garter,Royal Ascot or the recently 60th anniversary of the end of World War the Second.But it also might be that the Queen allows but it does not mean that she likes the Duchess.
I know that the Queen really loves Prince Charles much.And i think that Prince Charles insists the Queen to allow the Duchess to appear together with the Royal Family.

it's hard to say how HM feels about the Duchess personally but I think she feels it's her duty to allow the Duchess to appear with the RF at official events as she is the wife of her heir.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Duchess

it's hard to say how HM feels about the Duchess personally but I think she feels it's her duty to allow the Duchess to appear with the RF at official events as she is the wife of her heir.

Camilla is not a Duchess, she's a princess of the UK as the wife of Prince Charles. The Queen accepted Camilla into the family and she has been treated accordingly as the wife of the heir to the throne.

[marezdote]

Originally Posted by branchg

Camilla is not a Duchess, she's a princess of the UK as the wife of Prince Charles.

While it is true that one of the titles she holds is Princess she is also a Duchess.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by marezdote

While it is true that one of the titles she holds is Princess she is also a Duchess.

This is correct. What I meant to point out is that her primary dignity is a Royal Highness and princess of the UK, even though she is styled as Duchess of Cornwall. Camilla shares all of Charles' titles and styles, including Duchess of Cornwall in England and Duchess of Rothesay in Scotland.

[HMQueenElizabethII]

And i think everything can always happens even from the smallest things.At Trooping the Colour in June,The Duchess was 4 people far from the Queen.They are the Countess of Wessex,Prince Edward,Prince William and the Prince of Wales.
But at the recent 60th Anniversary of the end of World War the second,she was just 2 people far from the Queen,they are The Duke of York and Prince Harry.
It seems so many significant,i still do not really know.

[HMQueenElizabethII]

"One crucial consolation for Charles is that his wife has at least been allowed to remain above the last commoner to marry into the Royal Family - the Countess of Wessex.

Charles does not enjoy a close or warm relationship with the wife of his youngest brother Prince Edward. He believes that the former PR girl Sophie Rhys-Jones's commercial activities - she ran her own company - made her far more of a potential threat to the image and future of the Royal Family than anything his own wife Camilla has been accused of. For her part, Camilla is said not to get on very well with Sophie. She was indignant to be placed opposite her in the same horse-drawn carriage at the Trooping ceremony when the precedence issue emerged."

From Daily Mail UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...70&in_a_source=

[Warren]

Camilla is said not to get on very well with Sophie. She was indignant to be placed opposite her in the same horse-drawn carriage at the Trooping ceremony when the precedence issue emerged.

I'd be careful placing too much credence on these sorts of newspaper reports. You have to ask "why would Camilla be indignant?" And whatever the outcome of the precedence issue, Camilla would hardly hold Sophie responsible - HM perhaps, but not the Countess of Wessex. The seating arrangements for the Royal carrriages is not something that would have been left to the last moment; as we know the planning for these things is generally meticulous.

It seems to me that the journalists are just trying to create or manufacture a "rivalry" between Camilla and Sophie in the hope they can turn it into a long-running "feud".
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[branchg]

Originally Posted by Warren

I'd be careful placing too much credence on these sorts of newspaper reports. You have to ask "why would Camilla be indignant?" And whatever the outcome of the precedence issue, Camilla would hardly hold Sophie responsible - HM perhaps, but not the Countess of Wessex. The seating arrangements for the Royal carrriages is not something that would have been left to the last moment; as we know the planning for these things is generally meticulous.

It seems to me that the journalists are just trying to create or manufacture a "rivalry" between Camilla and Sophie in the hope they can turn it into a long-running "feud".
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I agree. The matter of Camilla's precedence and similar issues were all worked out and decided before she married Prince Charles. Camilla knew that by choosing to be known as Duchess of Cornwall, rather than Princess of Wales, she would have to take precedence after the princesses of the blood royal but before Sophie, Countess of Wessex.

I highly doubt Camilla has rivalries with anyone in the royal family at this point. Her main concern is being supportive of Charles and his duties.

[MoonlightRhapsody]

Originally Posted by branchg

I agree. The matter of Camilla's precedence and similar issues were all worked out and decided before she married Prince Charles. Camilla knew that by choosing to be known as Duchess of Cornwall, rather than Princess of Wales, she would have to take precedence after the princesses of the blood royal but before Sophie, Countess of Wessex.

I highly doubt that her precedence over Sophie is due to the fact that she took the title of Duchess instead of Princess. I believe it was due to the personal views of the Queen and not from the title. On an interesting note, when Diana was married to Charles, she was second only to the Queen.

As for her relationship with the other royals, I heard somewhere that the Princess Royal may hold some animosity towards Camilla because Princess Anne was dating Andrew Parker-Bowles and Camilla took him and proceeded to marry him. I don't know how true this story is, though.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Moonlightrhapsody

I highly doubt that her precedence over Sophie is due to the fact that she took the title of Duchess instead of Princess. I believe it was due to the personal views of the Queen and not from the title. On an interesting note, when Diana was married to Charles, she was second only to the Queen.

As for her relationship with the other royals, I heard somewhere that the Princess Royal may hold some animosity towards Camilla because Princess Anne was dating Andrew Parker-Bowles and Camilla took him and proceeded to marry him. I don't know how true this story is, though.

Camilla's precedence over Sophie is because she is the wife of the heir to the throne, not her style or title. Camilla takes precedence over all the current wives of the princes of the blood royal (Princess Michael of Kent, the Duchess of Kent, the Duchess of Gloucester).

Technically, Camilla is Princess of Wales and should take precedence directly after Her Majesty the Queen. However, it was agreed (again probably for sensitivity reasons) that since Camilla would be styled as Duchess of Cornwall, she would take precedence after the Princess Royal and Princess Alexandra.

[BeatrixFan]

Camilla has been friends with Princess Alexandra for many many years and sat with her at the Golden Jubilee 'Prom/Party at the Palace' and is a frequent visitor to Thatched House Lodge. She was at Angus Ogilvy's funeral as well.

[ScottyFLL]

Originally Posted by branchg

I agree. The matter of Camilla's precedence and similar issues were all worked out and decided before she married Prince Charles. Camilla knew that by choosing to be known as Duchess of Cornwall, rather than Princess of Wales, she would have to take precedence after the princesses of the blood royal but before Sophie, Countess of Wessex.

I have not seen anywhere that Camilla, while she "has chosen to be called" Duchess of Cornwall, does not have the precedence of the Princess of Wales, which is a title and position only acquired by marriage to the Prince of Wales, and to my knowledge, no woman married to a Prince of Wales has been anything but. Indeed, I think the acquisition of that title is automatic upon marriage.

See Burke's Peerage for an article on precedence in the royal family. The article is out of date, as The Queen Mother is still mentioned. With The Queen Mother now departed, the Princess of Wales ("where such exists") takes precedence directly behind her husband, placing her as the first female behind the queen and above all other princes and princesses except for the Duke of Edinburgh.

British custom dictates that the wife derives her precedence from her husband. While Camilla is not "known as" the Princess of Wales, it seems to me that constitutionally she is indeed just that. I have never seen that she is not Princess of Wales; only that she "will be known as" the Duchess of Cornwall. This means also that she will be Queen on Charles' accession, whether or not she is "known as" Princess Consort in that event. To my knowledge, no morganatic marriage has occurred in the British monarchy (there were talks of it when Edward VIII wanted to marry Wallis Simpson).

The royals are not nearly so concerned about their titles as they are with their position (precedence) and the style and dignity of Royal Highness. Both Diana and Sarah Ferguson retained their titles, but not the style and dignity of Royal Highness.