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Old 07-31-2013, 08:40 AM
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Since both William and Harry are grown men it is hardly surprising that they don't have regular one on one contact with Camilla . . . they don't have regular one-on-one contact with their father, grandmother, grandfather etc. They are adults and interact on that level.

We can only read the signs from William and Harry themselves. Harry, in an interview said "she makes our father happy", which I thought was a pretty realistic response but, he went on to add "we love her to bits" and that was pure Harry. No one made him say that, he's an adult and for all his angst regarding the media, he still went out of his way to emphasize how he and his brother personally felt about her.

That really ties in with the closeness mentioned earlier with Camilla's children who, while adults themselves, are still William and Harry's step-brother and sister. They chose to make the contact personal.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:36 PM
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Thanks to everyone who reminded me of William's relationship with Camilla and her family. When I talk about a "close" relationship, I am describing a relationship with regular one-on-one interaction. As far as I know, William and Harry don't get together with Camilla alone.
Ok how exactly does anyone know about this "close"/"one-to-one" interactions? Unless one is a fly on a wall of CH or Highgrove..
Should all the media be summoned to these "interactions" and pics of kisses and hugs splashed all over DM in order to prove so?
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We generally do not know who anyone, royal or not, has one on one contact with if it happens in a private space. We do not know if Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward ever see each other one on one. Are they now expected to announce their private interactions in the court circular, or summon the press should they decide to have tea or a gin with another member of their family? Good grief. I think we just have to take them at their word ("we love her to bits") and judge their actions (Camillas grandchild as a young bridesmaid at the wedding) and see that there must be a pretty good relationship in that family.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:58 PM
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We generally do not know who anyone, royal or not, has one on one contact with if it happens in a private space. We do not know if Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward ever see each other one on one. Are they now expected to announce their private interactions in the court circular, or summon the press should they decide to have tea or a gin with another member of their family? Good grief. I think we just have to take them at their word ("we love her to bits") and judge their actions (Camillas grandchild as a young bridesmaid at the wedding) and see that there must be a pretty good relationship in that family.
I agree with you. I think Camilla's relationship with most members of the BRF appears to be pretty good. She seems to be accepted well by William and Harry. Also, to the extent that you can tell from pictures at public events, you can certainly see a degree of familiarity and comfort (from both sides) in her interactions with Charles' siblings, parents, nieces and nephews.

As regards their interaction and meetings on a purely social and familial basis, we are unlikely to know who meets whom, where and how often - and that is no bad thing. That is their private matter, and they are entitled to their privacy in this regard.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:07 PM
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As far as I know, William and Harry don't get together with Camilla alone.
i remember at least one publicized situation where Camilla and William were hanging out together :

William swaps the nightclub for a quiet meal with Camilla - and there's no sign of Charles or Harry | Mail Online
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i remember at least one publicized situation where Camilla and William were hanging out together :

William swaps the nightclub for a quiet meal with Camilla - and there's no sign of Charles or Harry | Mail Online
Thanks for the link, but the article says they were with her children, who are friends with William. Nor does the fact that Camilla's granddaughter was in William's wedding indicate that William and Camilla are "close." It illustrates that he is close to Camilla's children.

I agree that we don't know what happens behind closed doors. I am saying that I have never seen anything that indicates that Camilla is particularly close to either William or Harry. My definition of a close relationship is one where they would regularly interact with her on a one-to-one basis. It's possible they do, I just haven't seen any proof of that.

They apparently like her and they certainly don't seem to blame her for Diana's unhappiness, but it doesn't mean they are close to her. I'm not being negative towards Camilla, both Harry and William are grown men with their own circle of friends.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:17 PM
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Thanks for the link, but the article says they were with her children, who are friends with William. Nor does the fact that Camilla's granddaughter was in William's wedding indicate that William and Camilla are "close." It illustrates that he is close to Camilla's children.

I agree that we don't know what happens behind closed doors. I am saying that I have never seen anything that indicates that Camilla is particularly close to either William or Harry. My definition of a close relationship is one where they would regularly interact with her on a one-to-one basis. It's possible they do, I just haven't seen any proof of that.

They apparently like her and they certainly don't seem to blame her for Diana's unhappiness, but it doesn't mean they are close to her. I'm not being negative towards Camilla, both Harry and William are grown men with their own circle of friends.
There is the interview where Harry said that he and William love her to bits.

http://youtu.be/JpZYam6Vqs8
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:27 PM
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I think William & Harry have tried to put those past hurt and feelings behind them and have accepted Camilla has their father's wife and companion. There's a power in forgiveness that many won't fully understand. Charles is the only parent William & Harry have left, I'm sure they did whatever possible to let him be happy again.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:43 PM
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This thread was dormant since June last year until someone posted yesterday (since deleted). I suppose that last year people considered the matter closed.

After 8 years of marriage and knowing the family for even longer, there is little extra we can glean from the past.

What seems obvious to me, is that this is a family comfortable with each other. The positive impact she has had is obvious to many, including family members IMO.
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My definition of a close relationship is one where they would regularly interact with her on a one-to-one basis. It's possible they do, I just haven't seen any proof of that.

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I cannot imagine under what circumstances you are likely to find such one on one interactions between any 2 members of the royal family since they would likely only happen either behind closed doors or on one of the private estates like Sandringham or Balmoral unless you are advocating turning all royal residences, including the private ones, into Big Brother Houses for your pleasure.
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I cannot imagine under what circumstances you are likely to find such one on one interactions between any 2 members of the royal family since they would likely only happen either behind closed doors or on one of the private estates like Sandringham or Balmoral unless you are advocating turning all royal residences, including the private ones, into Big Brother Houses for your pleasure.
As you know, there would be many circumstances and indications that members of the royal family see each other regularly that don't include making royal residences "Big Brother Houses."

For example, there are indications that Sophie visits the Queen regularly and they share a common interest in military history, even though neither the Queen nor Sophie have said so publicly. Another example is that Charles and Catherine share an interest in art and have visited galleries and museums together.

I think it is fair to say that Harry and William like Camilla and do not blame her for Diana's unhappiness. They also are close to her children. I see no evidence of a relationship beyond that.
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People also use telephone and text to stay in touch. Closeness doesn't get to be defined by others, it's defined by the people involved, in their hearts.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:29 PM
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As you know, there would be many circumstances and indications that members of the royal family see each other regularly that don't include making royal residences "Big Brother Houses."

For example, there are indications that Sophie visits the Queen regularly and they share a common interest in military history, even though neither the Queen nor Sophie have said so publicly. Another example is that Charles and Catherine share an interest in art and have visited galleries and museums together.
Is there really much public evidence of Sophie and the Queen's common interest in military history, or Charles and Catherine's visiting galleries and museum's together, or is this just heresay or what may have appeared in a tabloid or an online forum?
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:42 PM
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Don't know about the Queen and Sophie, but Charles and Catherine have been to the Royal Opera House together for ballet and opera. No idea about museums!

Kate Middleton and Prince Charles pay visits to the opera together - Telegraph

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I can't explain it. But Camilla has truly grown on me. I really like her ! She's sure of herself and will be awesome as a wife to Charles. Consort is another story. :)
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Why is Consort another story? She will be entitled to be Consort. When asked in a television interview whether she might someday be Queen, Charles said she could well be. I think it's pretty clear that that is his wish and, if I'm not mistaken, she will automatically assume that title when he ascends to the throne.
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Why is Consort another story? She will be entitled to be Consort. When asked in a television interview whether she might someday be Queen, Charles said she could well be. I think it's pretty clear that that is his wish and, if I'm not mistaken, she will automatically assume that title when he ascends to the throne.
She is Queen the moment he becomes King. To be other than Queen Consort, they either have to pass legislation in advance of the Queen's death (so unlikely as it is legislation for a specific individual - unheard of and probably contravening Human Rights legislation) or take it off her after the death of the Queen by the same legislative process.

She could choose to be called something else as she does now (ie Duchess of Cornwall instead of Pss of Wales), but that is a problem because the King only has one title and so there is no secondary title to use.
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Thank you, Cepe. Yes, I'm sure she will become Queen Consort. Not that it will affect what happens, but I think the residual animosity towards her is misplaced. Prince Charles is clearly happier with her by his side. Had HM not given her permission, he could not and would not have married her. I see no signs that she is not accepted by the royal family. Some animosity towards her by a small percentage of the public remains and, at this point, there's probably nothing more that can be done about it.
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I distinctly remember we have a thread on A Title for Camilla. Could we stop bleeding it into every other thread?
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