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Old 02-23-2010, 05:46 AM
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The jewellery that Prince Charles given to Camilla since 2005 (an engagement ring, earings & a 5-string necklace of diamonds & emeralds - broken into 2 sets) were all part of a set of jewellery given to the Queen Mother in c.1940 by one of her close friends an American socialite Lady Greville of Polesden Lacey. They were not part of the royal jewellery collection. Indeed the King thought them so ostentatious a gift that he forbad his wife from wearing them during the War & after. This has all been published in a book about royal jewllery by Diana Scarisbrick - I think.
You are right, a number of the jewels Camilla has worn since her wedding to Charles are from the Greville bequest. That said, Camilla herself has worn substantial pieces from the royal collection, not least the Delhi Durbar tiara.

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Indeed the King thought them so ostentatious a gift that he forbad his wife from wearing them during the War & after. This has all been published in a book about royal jewllery by Diana Scarisbrick - I think.
I am not sure I fully agree. The QM wore the Greville diamond necklace (at least in 3 string form) on more than one occassion after the war. She also used the Greville emerald necklace. Also, the Queen wore the Greville ruby and diamond necklace on a number of occassions.
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Old 02-23-2010, 03:51 PM
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Paintings and watercolours are one thing. Jewels are another.

I would think The Queen Mother would have let her daughter, The Queen, decide what to do with her mother's personal jewels, which after all, rightfully belong to her as the surviving child. Indeed, The Queen has been very generous with gifting many substantial pieces for Camilla's use.

Other pieces, such as the Indian Ruby and George III Tiaras, as well as Alexandra's pearl and diamond parure, belonged to the Crown and returned to the royal collection.
The point I was making about the Greville emerald & diamond jewellery was that they did not belong by right to the Queen. They belonged to the QM to bequeath to whomever she saw fit. The fact that Camilla wears the emerald & diamond set & the Queen has worn the ruby & diamond Greville jewels suggests that one set was bequeathed to the Prince & the other to the Queen and that with the set bequeathed to the Prince the QM would have been well aware around whose neck and finger they would end up. Combined with the fact that the QM allowed Prince Charles & Camilla to use Birkhall Lodge during her summer stay also suggests that she was more appreciative of Camilla's relationship with the Prince than has been claimed some Palace officials and commentators.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:23 PM
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You are right, a number of the jewels Camilla has worn since her wedding to Charles are from the Greville bequest. That said, Camilla herself has worn substantial pieces from the royal collection, not least the Delhi Durbar tiara.



I am not sure I fully agree. The QM wore the Greville diamond necklace (at least in 3 string form) on more than one occassion after the war. She also used the Greville emerald necklace. Also, the Queen wore the Greville ruby and diamond necklace on a number of occassions.
Yes I have seen her wear the necklace as well. Also, the present Queen has worn the Greville ruby pin.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:26 PM
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Alice Keppel was Camilla's great-grandmother. Its even rumoured that Camilla's grandma Sonia is of royal blood.



We always try to be private, we don't like "airing our dirty washing" in public.
How would Sonia be of "royal blood" - please don't tell me she was the love child of Alice and Edward. That would be just tooooo weird. lol.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:41 PM
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There have been rumours that Charles and Camilla may well be distant cousins through Keppel, if in fact Sonia was Keppels and the Kings love child. But we will most likely never know this.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:42 PM
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Um, ok, same Great-Grandfather. Whow. Interesting. That's a very close cousin... a little too close don't you think? That is if it's true.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:54 PM
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How would Sonia be of "royal blood" - please don't tell me she was the love child of Alice and Edward. That would be just tooooo weird. lol.
well she is reputed to be the illegitimate child of King Edward VII and Alice Keppel, there is no proof and the King did not acknowledge many illegitimate offsring, during his life time !

i believe the subject is slightly touched upon in the thread royal scandals.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:06 PM
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well she is reputed to be the illegitimate child of King Edward VII and Alice Keppel, there is no proof and the King did not acknowledge many illegitimate offsring, during his life time !

i believe the subject is slightly touched upon in the thread royal scandals.
Yeah, I was talking about The Marchioness of Londonderry - if they had had a relationship which produced an illegit child. Whom did he admit to? I don't think I read about that.
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well i dare say he may had privately abmitted to being the father to some of the supposed offspring, but this is conjecture on my part.

as i have mentioned here and in the thread royal scandals, Edward did not acknowledge and never officialy recognised any illegitimate offspring. most of the evidence is circumstantal which would seem to suggest that the supposed offspring was fathered by Edward and nothing more !

thus the answer to your question is none....he did not abmitt to any !
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:38 PM
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well close cousins indeed if this is ture ...don't seem to matter much since they will not have children.
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the relationship between The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall would be as follows .....half second cousins once removed !!
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So not that close a relationship in any case.

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the relationship between The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall would be as follows .....half second cousins once removed !!
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The Queen and DoE are third cousins, but it doesnt really matter as they dont and will not have children together. This is going off topic a bit I think, but perhaps one of the reasons the RF didnt want Charles and Camilla together is because they knew Camilla was actually related? I dont think the RF would have been to keen on mixing those blood lines again.
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Whether they are second-cousins-once removed or third cousins, it's not that close a relationship in terms of genetics. There are twice as many grandparents and great-grandparents involved than would be the case if people were first cousins.

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The Queen and DoE are third cousins, but it doesnt really matter as they dont and will not have children together. This is going off topic a bit I think, but perhaps one of the reasons the RF didnt want Charles and Camilla together is because they knew Camilla was actually related? I dont think the RF would have been to keen on mixing those blood lines again.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:53 AM
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Whether they are second-cousins-once removed or third cousins, it's not that close a relationship in terms of genetics. There are twice as many grandparents and great-grandparents involved than would be the case if people were first cousins.
Oh well - the lines were too close on the way down anyway.
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The point I was making about the Greville emerald & diamond jewellery was that they did not belong by right to the Queen. They belonged to the QM to bequeath to whomever she saw fit. The fact that Camilla wears the emerald & diamond set & the Queen has worn the ruby & diamond Greville jewels suggests that one set was bequeathed to the Prince & the other to the Queen and that with the set bequeathed to the Prince the QM would have been well aware around whose neck and finger they would end up. Combined with the fact that the QM allowed Prince Charles & Camilla to use Birkhall Lodge during her summer stay also suggests that she was more appreciative of Camilla's relationship with the Prince than has been claimed some Palace officials and commentators.
What emerald and diamond necklace are you referring to? As far as I am awawe, Camilla does not have any emeralds with a Greville provenance.

As regards the ruby neckalce worn by the Queen, she received it as a wedding present from her parents. She has not worn it since the 1970s.
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The Queen and DoE are third cousins, but it doesnt really matter as they dont and will not have children together.
hehe.. do you know something we dont. they have four children at the last count, well three if one believe's the allegation that the then Lord Porchester, is the father of Prince Andrew, The Duke of York....
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How would Sonia be of "royal blood" - please don't tell me she was the love child of Alice and Edward. That would be just tooooo weird. lol.
Its rumoured that she is.

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hehe.. do you know something we dont. they have four children at the last count, well three if one believe's the allegation that the then Lord Porchester, is the father of Prince Andrew, The Duke of York....
I think Princejohnny is referring possible to Camilla and Charles?
I have never heard that the Duke of York was not born of Elizabeth and Phillip.
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hahahahaha, o my queen, I was referring to Fred and Gladys. Must learn to write my setences a bit better. I never heard about any of this DoY buisness either??
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:38 PM
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It has been rumoured for years that Andrew is not Philip's child but the child of Lord Porchester, especially as around the time of Andrew's conception there were also the rumours of the royal marriage being in trouble. See these stories:

Windsor Knot - NYTimes.com
Royal Bastards, Part 1
Portrait of a marriage - Telegraph

The story is repeated in many other papers, both reputable and otherwise that the Queen had an affair with Lord Porchester and that Andrew was the result.

Personally I don't believe that either the Queen or Philip have been unfaithful but that is me.
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