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Old 03-17-2009, 10:21 AM
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Prince Charles only hears science he wants to hear | Science | guardian.co.uk

The heir to the throne pays attention to scientists when their findings match his own prejudices, otherwise he ignores them
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:58 AM
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IMO, doctors for all the studying still get it wrong. As do those scientists in the medical fields.

As has been shown Baum & Ernst have their own need of publicity and denouncing Charles gets it for them. Many people use Homeopathic treatments, when conventional medicine has failed them. I love the Dandelion detox and if I think it is doing me some good, that can't be a bad thing.

I was talking to a friend who has diabetes Type I yesterday and she was telling me how she has watched the medical fads come and go over the years. The litany of do this, don't do this, do this..., with it changing every visit. Right back to the 'good old days', when Diabetics were told not to eat Bananas and now they recommended. (I have no idea why). Homeopathy in it's many forms were about and treating people long before medical science became semi respectable.

I have no problem with Charles being able to separate the good from the bad. Many people who believe global warming is a real threat are also able to see that medical science is not always the complete answer.
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The Prince of Wales said the initiative would, hopefully, encourage farmers to help secure a sustainable future for UK farming.

"For many farmers, changing to more environmentally friendly practices seems to be a daunting challenge. But by starting with simple measures I hope you will see that these changes are possible," he said

http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2009/0...f-farming.html
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:34 PM
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[quote=Skydragon;909065] IMO, doctors for all the studying still get it wrong. As do those scientists in the medical fields.

As has been shown Baum & Ernst have their own need of publicity and denouncing Charles gets it for them. Many people use Homeopathic treatments, when conventional medicine has failed them. I love the Dandelion detox and if I think it is doing me some good, that can't be a bad thing.

ACTUALLY-it can be a bad thing. Homeopathic treatments and supplements need to be tailored to the individual. These agents are still medicines (pharmacologic agents) and can interact with other medications that a person is taking as well as exaccerbate underlying medical problems. Unfortunately since supplements are classified as 'food' here in the U.S. they are not subject to the same FDA regulations. Doctors need to ask the patient to bring EVERYTHING they are taking to a visit to avoid serious complications. The same goes for dangerous drug intereactions between prescription medications.
I am all the the 'natural movement' but all of these agents should carry a BOLD PRINT warning not to start without checking with our doctor or other medical professional first.
Finally, many people are using these detox agents (diuretic teas and colon cleansers) for weight loss. They are not losing fat weight but water. Overtime use of these agents can lead to dehydration and kidney failure.
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Actually, it was my doctor who recommended the Dandelion Detox.

However, I would certainly not consult a GP when using such a natural product, nor for something such as Arnica. Not everyone sees or uses such products for weight loss, but for the boost they give them!

Many of these products were about long before we even thought we needed so many medicines.
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:16 PM
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homeopathy.

I am glad your doctor is familar with natural agents. Many are not..
People really do need to consult a medical professional when using these products especially if they have any medical problems.

Just a short and personal example. My sister had systemic lupus. She was very health conscious, atheletic, and always reading on how to boost her immunity. At a naturopath suggested she try echinchea (sp) to boost her immunity/resistance. She had a severe lupus flare-brain, heart, etc and died 7months later.
Echinchea is actually advised against for lupus patients as it can trigger a flare.

And as I said people also need to use presciption medicines, over the counter drugs, etc. with caution. My granny used to tell me 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure'

Again I think P.Charles agents are a good idea for most and I hope (actually I'm sure) for medicolegal reasons they carry the aforementioned warning.

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Actually, it was my doctor who recommended the Dandelion Detox.

However, I would certainly not consult a GP when using such a natural product, nor for something such as Arnica. Not everyone sees or uses such products for weight loss, but for the boost they give them!

Many of these products were about long before we even thought we needed so many medicines.
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:34 AM
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After the EU rulings, many more natural remedies are heavily regulated and diluted. I think rather than putting reliance on a local GP, it is a good idea to read up on the things you are taking, natural and especially prescribed.
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:48 AM
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After the EU rulings, many more natural remedies are heavily regulated and diluted. I think rather than putting reliance on a local GP, it is a good idea to read up on the things you are taking, natural and especially prescribed.
I Agree. Unfortunately most people rely ads and TV than reading or checking with a doctor, nurse, or pharmacist. I think the bottom line is to be as educated as possible about your body.e
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I Agree. Unfortunately most people rely ads and TV than reading or checking with a doctor, nurse, or pharmacist. I think the bottom line is to be as educated as possible about your body.e
I do agree with you.
I think i most rely on word of mouth, tv and ads. :)
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Prince Charles only hears science he wants to hear | Science | guardian.co.uk

The heir to the throne pays attention to scientists when their findings match his own prejudices, otherwise he ignores them
This is very prejudice in their own right. I am sure that Prince Charles listens to all sides of a story before making a decision and making the headlines.
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Prince Charles' Duchy Originals brand has been ordered to remove claims about the effectiveness of its herbal remedies from its website, after regulators ruled they were "misleading"

Prince Charles' Duchy Originals ordered to remove 'misleading' herbal remedy claims - Telegraph

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The remedies have been available in stores and through the company's website since the end of January and the MHRA made its ruling after a complaint from a member of the public
So the website altered the wording back in January! I wonder who the one member of the public was, because if plain old Mr Smith complained, it wouldn't have been considered actionable! IMO.
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A spokesman for Duchy Originals said: “Duchy Herbals Detox Tincture is an excellent and safe product, traded as a food supplement and compliant with all of the relevant sections of both UK and European food laws. It is a natural aid to digestion and supports the body’s natural elimination processes. It is not – and has never been described as – a medicine, remedy or cure for any disease
At least they are speaking up!
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I wonder why MHRA has not approved the products/claims in question prior allowing to distribute them. If checking claims is not a usual practice, why did MHRA decide to take action now?
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I read it as the advertising on the web site was approved and only after one complaint was made, they then asked Duchy Originals to alter it, which they did back in January. Normally, I believe, more complaints are needed before any action is taken, ie, if one person complains that an advert for a particular health drink made promises it couldn't keep, (as in a recent case), it is not actioned until a significant number complain. If they normally listened to a single complaint they would be seriously overworked.
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It is unfair indeed to take such drastic measure after the complaint of one individual, who has got obvious vested interests. As stated previously, it is deemed to expedient for an individual to consult a doctor before taking certain herbal medicine.
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There are a lot of products advertised in the same manor as Duchy herbals had been before changes. While it's a good thing that MHRA is pursuing truth-in-advertising, it does leave one wonder if there is more scrutiny on the Duchy Original line than others.
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I'll take a homeopathic regime waaaay before I take anything via orally. You've all heard the "no-no" list: Do not take if you are under 18, do not take if you are over 18, some people have experienced weight loss, bleeding, migranes and ulcers. Do not take if you are breast feeding or are or are going to become pregnant. . . .
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LOL! If I read all the fine prints the lawyers added on every prescription bottle, I might just crawled into a coffin and be done with it.
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LOL! If I read all the fine prints the lawyers added on every prescription bottle, I might just crawled into a coffin and be done with it.
Or how about when they advertise about Mesotheloma? Granted, it's a horrible thing my step-father died of it, but golly they are making some dough! As are the doctors perscribing medications that put (IMO) gigantic holes in ones liver and kidneys!
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I went to the duchy originals website-www.duchyoriginals.com and looked up the herbal tinctures. They really do not make any outrageous claims. The hyper-lift is mainly St. John's Wort which has long been used as a mild mood elevator. The website says do not use if pregnant, nursing, or if you have been diagnosed with depression.
The detox- is mainly dandelion juice which my grandma used to take. (We also ate dandelion greens). Again the site says not to use if pregnant or nursing and says with all products to READ the label carefully.

I have seen much worse claims especially on 'natural' energy and diet supplements.
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I do read all that, and it's amazing that I take any medication at all!
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Herbal supplements can be good and they can be bad. There is no regulation, so you take your chances. Mixed with some presciptions they are deadly. All "medicines" have pluses and drawbacks. Herbal medicines are just as dangerous and have far less oversight. Unfortunately, as doctors, keep studing things, they have found and allocated different ideas at different times. There is no hard or fast rule. Medicines change and minds change. When minds change you have "thinking", which is good. When minds are fixed you get no where. By the way, mesothelioma is not caused by medicine it is caused by inhaling irritants, such as asbestos.
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