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Old 03-28-2015, 01:30 AM
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It is the principle of the issue. This time the content might be harmless but there may be other public figures or royals whose letters aren't so harmless and the legal decision is that privacy no longer exists in the UK.
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:07 AM
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If the content is harmless then why the fight about the release?
That's like saying the police can search anything, anywhere, without a warrant because if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear!
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It is the principle of the issue. This time the content might be harmless but there may be other public figures or royals whose letters aren't so harmless and the legal decision is that privacy no longer exists in the UK.
I agree, the principle of this issue is very important and the release of any piece of information out of context is specious at best. It also sets a dangerous precedent. Who is the next lucky VIP to be exempted from privacy laws?
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:46 AM
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If the content is harmless then why the fight about the release?
Because any EU-citizen has the right on privacy of correspondence.

Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.


Two things are clashing here: the opinion of the British Government (and the Prince of Wales) that his correspondence is, like that of any other British citizen, private and that principle should be respected. The opinion of The Guardian is that the princely correspondence was sent to the Government, might be of public interest and therefore should be made public.

My assessment, based on what we already know, is that these correspondences are not spectacular and handle about causes close to the Prince's heart. But try to replace yourself into the Prince's position (and that of his sons and any other royal). Not only they have to fight for every centimeter of public privacy, now they even have no privacy anymore in something like written correspondence...




The Prince of Wales has a good cause to go to the European Court but then the British Government, often so fulminating against "Europe", should now go to the Lords Justice in Strasbourg and there is a big chance the European Court will shred the outcome of the British procedure because the conclusion probably will be that Article 8 can only be broken for most serious and exceptional cases (like murder investigations, anti terrorism operations, etc.) and it is hard to see a justification of the infringement on the Prince's right on privacy without that framework.
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Old 03-28-2015, 06:07 AM
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Charles is not going to go to the European Court to enforce his rights under the ECHR. Both those things are toxic with the British public. The idea that "Europe" can tell our own country what to do is the nub of the problem British people have when it comes to the European "project". It would be a much bigger PR disaster for him personally than a few letters he's written about recycling or wind farms.
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Old 03-28-2015, 07:37 AM
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Charles is not going to go to the European Court to enforce his rights under the ECHR. Both those things are toxic with the British public. The idea that "Europe" can tell our own country what to do is the nub of the problem British people have when it comes to the European "project". It would be a much bigger PR disaster for him personally than a few letters he's written about recycling or wind farms.
It is the government, and not Prince Charles, who is arguing that the letters ought not to be released.
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:05 AM
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The judgement by the Supreme Court that the letters written by the Prince of Wales to government ministers must be made public is not in the national interest and hinders the proper functioning of the constitution.

One of Somerset's most famous sons, Walter Bagehot the great constitutional authority, set out the three powers of the monarch. These are to be consulted, to encourage and to warn. Each week since 1952 the Queen has granted an audience to her prime minister starting with Winston Churchill to discharge these functions. As the monarchy is hereditary this will be the future role of the Prince of Wales once he becomes King and it is sensible that he should be fully informed and engaged with the political process in a confidential manner.
More: Jacob Rees-Mogg: Why Prince Charles' letters should not be made public | Western Daily Press
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Old 04-05-2015, 01:21 PM
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Former Deputy Prime Minister Lord Prescott: the future King should write 'as many as he damn well likes'

Read more: John Prescott defends Prince Charles over published 'spider letters' | Daily Mail Online
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Old 04-15-2015, 09:51 AM
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Peter Hunt @BBCPeterHunt · 1h 1 hour ago
Publication of some of Prince Charles' letters to government moves a step closer. @UKSupremeCourt has formally quashed a government veto.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:49 PM
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Decision not yet taken on how much of letters attempting to influence policy should be redacted before documents are made available to public-
Prince Charles 'black spider memos' may not be released for months | UK news | The Guardian
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Old 04-23-2015, 12:04 AM
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It is the government, and not Prince Charles, who is arguing that the letters ought not to be released.
You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority of readers have never been aware that it was the government fighting against the release of the POW's letters, but rather that Charles was doing it to keep his nefarious machinations secret.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:17 AM
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You know, I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority of readers have never been aware that it was the government fighting against the release of the POW's letters, but rather that Charles was doing it to keep his nefarious machinations secret.
Exactly my point!
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Old 05-12-2015, 05:55 PM
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Private correspondence between the Prince of Wales and government ministers will be made public on Wednesday following a ruling by Britain's highest court that an attempt to keep them secret was unlawful.

The Prince has expressed “disappointment” that his so-called “black spider memos” to seven departments in Tony Blair’s Labour government will be made public, though aides insisted he was “relaxed” about light being shed on his lobbying.

In March a Supreme Court ruling brought an end to a 10-year Freedom of Information battle by declaring that Dominic Grieve, the former attorney general, acted unlawfully when he imposed a veto on publication of the 27 letters to and from the Prince written in 2004 and 2005.
More: Video: Prince Charles 'black spider memos' to be published on Wednesday - Telegraph
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:50 PM
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Well, we really must bow to democracy in action and wonder how long it will take them to sort them out of the avalanche of letters to Ministers released to the media.

I mean it, is only right if his letters are in the public interest, so too are everyone else's. The number of letters Prince Charles has written is infinitesimal and will take the media weeks to sort from the piles . . .

Don't mind my sarcasm. I just don't get why Charles is not afforded the same right to privacy as any other member of the public.

Oh, he really does live a life of privilege, except for his thoughts and letters . . . they are public property!
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:27 AM
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Well, we really must bow to democracy in action and wonder how long it will take them to sort them out of the avalanche of letters to Ministers released to the media.

I mean it, is only right if his letters are in the public interest, so too are everyone else's. The number of letters Prince Charles has written is infinitesimal and will take the media weeks to sort from the piles . . .

Don't mind my sarcasm. I just don't get why Charles is not afforded the same right to privacy as any other member of the public.

Oh, he really does live a life of privilege, except for his thoughts and letters . . . they are public property!
Other letters would also be available - if anyone asked. The problem is that the Guardian isn't interested in the opinions of Mrs Smith or Mr Jones just in pushing their republican agenda by embarrassing (they hope) the POW.

I don't know how accurate the report is, but the DM says the Guardian requested letters sent to labour ministers in the Blair Government. Why the need to only show instances when the Prince disagreed with labour policy? Why not request letters written to conservative ministers as well? Are the Guardian only interested in disagreement with labour policy rather than government policy of any persuasion?

It will be interesting to see the way in which the more responsible sections of the press report the letters. I have every faith in the tabloids having a hysterical reaction. Are the reports going to put the letters in context by reporting how many other letters ministers got for and against their proposal, whether the minister changed their policy and the reasons why they changed their policy.
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:32 AM
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Kate Williams @KateWilliamsme · 2h 2 hours ago
The #BlackSpiderMemos #PrinceCharles are due to be published at 3pm today, after 10 yr battle between @guardian and government
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:06 PM
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The 'infamous' letters were duly published this afternoon, and if BBC Radio 4's 'PM programme [which is widely respected], is anything to go by, there is NOTHING in them , to which a reasonable person might object !

Seems that the Guardian has spent a great deal of its money on proving a point [one that has failed to make the Republican 'splash' it hoped for], and which will merely cement the affection in which the tireless Prince is held by the public.

'In one of his most strident letters the Prince wrote to Mr Blair [then the PM] expressing concern that the RAF had insufficiently modern and efficient aircraft during the war in Iraq'.

The public , too, was worried about this, [at the time], and it is EXACTLY what I would expect of an Air Commodore, in HM Armed Forces.

I suspect the general public will feel the same !
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:23 PM
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Ah ah now what's the fuss is all about !
As excpected the anti "meddling prince" campaign is backfiring, these letters revealing a caring man concerned by the future of the nation.

Prince Charles wrote to Tony Blair in 'black spider' letters | Daily Mail Online

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Old 05-13-2015, 02:25 PM
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After reading them, I believe I like Prince Charles better now-The man has good common sense. A shame about the cost of keeping them from the public, though.
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:27 PM
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So, based on press commentary, nothing particularly controversial at all!
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:31 PM
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After reading them, I believe I like Prince Charles better now-The man has good common sense. A shame about the cost of keeping them from the public, though.
These costs were made to fight for the man whom, as only citizen in the whole kingdom, is denied the basic human right on privacy of his correspondence. Finally in a most mind-baffling demarché by juridicians, the public should know what the Prince thinks about badgers, albatrosses, the equipment of the Navy, the administrative strain on farmers and the concerns about failing education standards.

If The Guardian (which has immensely shot it its very own republican foot) has not started the whole crazy manoeuvre to deny the Prince a basic human right (which they would defence for anyone else...) then these costs were not necessary...

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