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Old 03-26-2015, 09:49 AM
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Clarence House and the Prime Minister expressed disappointment today after the UK's highest court refused to overturn a ruling which paved the way for publication of letters written by the Prince of Wales to government ministers.

Supreme Court justices in London rejected a challenge by the Attorney General, the Government's principal legal adviser, against a decision by Court of Appeal judges that he had unlawfully prevented the public seeing the royal correspondence.

A spokeswoman for the Prince said after the Supreme Court decision: "This is a matter for the Government. Clarence House is disappointed the principle of privacy has not been upheld."

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "This is a disappointing judgment and we will now consider how to release these letters.

"This is about the principle that senior members of the Royal Family are able to express their views to government confidentially. I think most people would agree this is fair enough.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:01 AM
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I'm thinking perhaps this issue of the release of Charles' letters is maybe making a mountain out or a mole hill.

As Prince of Wales, he does have the right as does every other citizen to write and express his views and his concerns to his government. No where has it ever been stated that members of Parliament or governmental panels were required to even read these letters let alone act on them. If these letters perhaps brought about a change of mind of the politicians Charles wrote to because of who Charles is, are these the politicians that can be bought off or easily swayed?

I do get that the issue really is with privacy. It would be interesting to know how the contents of the letters may have changed should Charles have known that they could be released into the public domain.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:02 AM
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It is unclear what the Clarence House is moaning about. Prince Charles is not going to be affected in any significant way.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:04 AM
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The government can always pass legislation to prevent the release of the letters even with this court ruling.

The letters should remain private in my opinion
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:21 AM
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Such legislation may backfire and draw more than needed attention to Prince Charles' writings.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:27 AM
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If this happened today the letters wouldn't be released because the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William are now exempt from FOI requests.

The legislation should be amended to prevent the letters from being published
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:40 AM
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Ha! Of course Clarence House is disappointed! They're used to getting their own way and don't like it when it doesn't happen.

Now where are those letters........

Frankly I'd be disappointed if a supreme court ruled that my private letters were to become public knowledge. Charles can write all the letters he wants but that doesn't mean whoever he's writing them to is going to take on board what he's going to say. Also, I don't think I've ever heard Charles say or suggest anything in regards to how things should be done that was completely outlandish and uncalled for. Charles isn't stupid, these letters are hardly going to say something like "pass a motion so I can overthrow my mother"!

Government have 30 days to publish the letters unless they alter any legislation. Considering parliament "closes" today before the GE. I don't see them changing anything.
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Old 03-26-2015, 10:47 AM
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I'm glad these letters are going to be released. If Charles is, as I suspect, an incorrigible meddler who believes that he has a perfect right to interfere in legislation and lobby for changes in the law, (especially with regard to his hobby horses) all will become clear in the fullness of time.

I've always worried about this aspect of Charles's persona. He is in very many ways a superb Prince of Wales. However, if any attempted influencing of ministers comes to light as a result of these letters then his reputation will suffer, perhaps irreparably. Charles is not elected and he should leave the framing of laws to Parliament. That's what it's there for.
Oh Dear, here we are.
Charles 's "hobby horses" are youth unemployment, cultural heritage, global warming ... not really easy topics and,surprisingly enough for a part of the public who wants to reduce the Prince of Wales as a demanding eccentric philander talking to his plants, he really cares about it. As a Bristish citizen, he had perfectly the right to raise his voice and concerns about the current, and future, well being of the population. Maybe if he had campaigned for the anti landmines campaign, his attitude would have been for you more "courageous" and not "meddling" isn't it ?
Let's face it, we all pretty know that these letters are just a pretext to judge Charles, not on his role as the Prince of Wales, but on his very own personnalty and of course his private life. Stop the hypocrisy : some people can't wait to see Charles declared unfit to be king.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:01 AM
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Who exactly is on the offensive to declare Prince Charles unfit to be king? I hope you are not suggesting that there are secret diehard loyalists of Prince Charles' first spouse in the upper circles.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:04 AM
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I am doing a course at the moment and one of subjects was contract law and technically the letters are the property of the receiver. I don't know why they didn't bring contract law into it.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:25 AM
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Such legislation may backfire and draw more than needed attention to Prince Charles' writings.
I agree that legislation would backfire and the letters should just be released, but passing legislation that allows everyone in Britain can keep their communications confidential. Prince Charles is a citizen and a taxpayer, so he should have the same right to try and influence legislation as everyone else.
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:25 AM
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Oh Dear, here we are.
Charles 's "hobby horses" are youth unemployment, cultural heritage, global warming ... not really easy topics and,surprisingly enough for a part of the public who wants to reduce the Prince of Wales as a demanding eccentric philander talking to his plants, he really cares about it. As a Bristish citizen, he had perfectly the right to raise his voice and concerns about the current, and future, well being of the population. Maybe if he had campaigned for the anti landmines campaign, his attitude would have been for you more "courageous" and not "meddling" isn't it ?
Let's face it, we all pretty know that these letters are just a pretext to judge Charles, not on his role as the Prince of Wales, but on his very own personnalty and of course his private life. Stop the hypocrisy : some people can't wait to see Charles declared unfit to be king.
I have never said that I consider Charles unfit to be King. Of course republicans and their mouthpieces like the Guardian are going to rejoice over this victory.

I regret that Charles has left himself open to this attack. The point is that while every British citizen is certainly allowed to have their say over issues of concern to them, you know, I know, and so does everyone else, including government ministers, Charles is not Mr and Mrs Average of Surbiton communicating with their local MP.

He is a man of extraordinary influence as we've seen in other matters in which he's interfered, such as architecture. Is he going to perform when he is king in the same manner? We hope not, but we don't know, do we? And therein lies the worry as far as Charles and political neutrality is concerned.
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The Supreme Court have reached an "unconstitutional decision" by allowing letters written by the Prince of Wales to government ministers to be published, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg has said.

The MP for North East Somerset said the ruling would make it very difficult for Prince Charles to do his job.

"It is the job of the Prince of Wales to interest himself in what his majesty's government is doing that's his role, that's his job", he said.
More: Rees-Mogg: Charles letters decision 'unconstitutional' - ITV News
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:55 AM
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Is Mr Rees-Mogg a constitutional lawyer?

Or merely an MP who was reported for not declaring his financial interests when taking part in debates in the House of Commons.

Somewhat ironical, that!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...s-9923362.html
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Come now Curryong, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Kathryn Hudson, decided that no wrongdoing had been committed and so no investigation took place.

Anyway he is an elected MP and has every right to speak up for Charles
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Old 03-26-2015, 12:37 PM
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So, the Supreme Court has ruled that there's no such a thing as privacy. That's ridiculous. So, from now on, a I think every letter sent by a citizen to a minister should be published.
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Old 03-26-2015, 02:15 PM
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So, the Supreme Court has ruled that there's no such a thing as privacy. That's ridiculous. So, from now on, a I think every letter sent by a citizen to a minister should be published.
There we go! Excellent idea. Big BIG volumes of correspondence between citizens and the government. I can see the advantages now. Kid gets in trouble in school and for punishment, he needs to read each and every letter and write a book report. The possibilities are endless.
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The Monarch, of course, must do what his/her Ministers advise. However, we know that the Monarch has the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn.

Whereas none of us knows Her Majesty's personal political opinion on any subject, her ministers and in particular, her Prime Minister would, and they're never revealed.

I therefore have difficulty in distinguishing between the differences pertaining to the Queen and her immediate heir. I cannot appreciate the fact that his concerning himself with matters of state by expressing an opinion is not allowable when it's obvious that his letters would fall into one of the above categories. Apart from the formal situation, in practical terms he draws closer to the throne with every passing day and to my mind, it's petty and churlish to pursue the PoW in this unseemly manner, prompted, I'm quite confident, only from a desire to embarrass him.








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Old 03-26-2015, 09:18 PM
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Er.... we dont actually know what he wrote. Too many opinions/assumptionsd based on personal opinions of PoW, rather than fact.

It will be interesting to see the outcome
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