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Old 01-27-2015, 06:39 AM
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[...] but I think he will continue to voice his thoughts and feelings about the issues he's so passionate about.
Which is perfectly all within his constitutional role, famously summarized by Bagehot: "the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn".

King Charles has the right to encourage issues, he also has the right to warn about issues. Exactly like Queen Elizabeth will have her own political opinions about the Scottish Referendum. The point is only that all participants must be willing to respect this right and remain absolutely confidential about it (what is called the "colloque singulier" on the Continent).

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Old 02-27-2015, 11:39 PM
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The other concern is neutrality. If we find out though the letters Charles is opposed to the EU for example, it will be difficult for him as king to be neutral on matters concerning the EU.
This is the reason the government opposed the release of the letters in the first place, they may damage Charles's neutrality as king
I agree. Charles may end up being viewed much the same as a politician and as such be ousted likewise.
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Old 03-19-2015, 10:06 AM
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Peter Hunt @BBCPeterHunt · 2h 2 hours ago

No date yet for @UKSupremeCourt judgement on making Prince Charles' letters to gov public or not. 1st April last poss date before Easter.
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Old 03-20-2015, 07:16 AM
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Peter Hunt ‏@BBCPeterHunt 8 mins8 minutes ago
Decision by @UKSupremeCourt on whether or not some of Prince Charles' letters to government should be made public will come next Thursday.


Tim Ewart ‏@EwartRoyale 1 min1 minute ago
The Supreme Court will rule on the Prince Charles "spider memos" case next week. Will his letters to ministers now be made public?
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:49 AM
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An informative article that breaks down the ongoing battle. As a devout monarchist I hope the letters aren't released. We will find out tomorrow morning.

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The longest running Freedom of Information (FOI) battle is about to come to a close.

On Thursday 26th March at 9.45am the Supreme Court will make a judgement which could pave the way for letters written by Prince Charles to be disclosed under the FOI Act. The fight for the correspondence, between the Guardian and the government, has been ongoing for 10 years.

Seven of the most senior judges in the country will decide whether Dominic Grieve, when he was the Attorney General, was lawful in issuing a ministerial veto to block the publication of 27 pieces of correspondence written by the Prince. Last year the Court of Appeal ruled that the use of the veto was unlawful – the government then appealed the case to the Supreme Court.

The overall case is a technical one that involves the FOI Act, the Environmental Information Regulations, and EU rules. It is a battle that has seen the government waste at least £250,000 on attempting to block the publication of the letters. However, the fundamental decision behind the case comes down to will be whether the government could lawfully block the court ordered publication of the letters.

It is unlikely, if the letters should eventually be disclosed, that there will be the explosive content of MP’s expenses. Damage that may occur could be to Charles’s reputation and his future position as King (depending on their content). Although, there may also be questions to be answered by former government ministers if the letters reveal decisions they made were based upon the heir to the throne’s correspondence.
More: The 10 year fight: Battle to reveal Prince Charles’s letters is about to end | FOI Directory
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:05 PM
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Prince Charles' 'black spider' letters High Court ruling expected tomorrow-
Prince Charles' 'black spider' letters High Court ruling expected tomorrow - Home News - UK - The Independent
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:19 PM
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It is all relatively unharmful so to see. A plea for the plight of the Atlantic salmon, about the design of eco-towns, about changes in the primary school syllabus which worried the Prince, a plea to take the interests of British farmers into consideration, it is really not that groundbreaking and we essentially see a British citizen expressing his views, like millions do, to those "at the steering wheel".

In my opinion these letters should remain confidential. As all letters from the Prince needs to be publicized, the good man even has no any privacy anymore in his correspondence.
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:58 PM
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AMEN to that, Duc et Pair...
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Old 03-25-2015, 05:07 PM
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It is all relatively unharmful so to see. A plea for the plight of the Atlantic salmon, about the design of eco-towns, about changes in the primary school syllabus which worried the Prince, a plea to take the interests of British farmers into consideration, it is really not that groundbreaking and we essentially see a British citizen expressing his views, like millions do, to those "at the steering wheel".

In my opinion these letters should remain confidential. As all letters from the Prince needs to be publicized, the good man even has no any privacy anymorre in his correspondence.
Great post. For me, the issue isn't what Charles wrote for, as you say, he is probably just saying what anyone would say about things they care about.

The issue would be any minister who made decisions solely on the basis of any of the letters.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:15 PM
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And so should every letter be published from everyone sent letters to ministers.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:16 PM
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Great post. For me, the issue isn't what Charles wrote for, as you say, he is probably just saying what anyone would say about things they care about.

The issue would be any minister who made decisions solely on the basis of any of the letters.
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And so should every letter be published from everyone sent letters to ministers.
But how can you tell if a Minister did? At present they are only interested in the POW's letters so, if he wrote one letter and the Minister changed his point of view or vote, it will then be blamed or accredited to the letter of the POW.

What we will not be seeing is real life context which could and probably would have seen a Minister receive thousands of letters. So, perhaps they changed his mind.

Then of course we have the Minister's Constituency and if thousands of people from his electorate wrote, most politicians being somewhat pragmatic, could change their minds.

And of course, we must not forget the MP whose baseline is paternalistic. He's never going to change his mind because he knows what's best for us when we don't even know ourselves. That law or whatever will have his name on it for posterity.

But, the way things stand, we will only see the POW's letters without context and therefore know nothing more than we know today.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:27 AM
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James Brookes @james_elliott_ · 11h 11 hours ago
The @UKSupremeCourt hands down judgement on #PrinceCharles’ letters to ministers tomorrow. Live stream frm 09:45 GMT:
https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html
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Peter Hunt ‏@BBCPeterHunt 15 secs16 seconds ago
.@UKSupremeCourt has ruled that 27 of Prince Charles' private letters to government ministers can be made public.
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@james_elliott_: The @UKSupremeCourt says that the decision was made without seeing any of the 27 letters.

@BBCBreaking: Clarence House "disappointed the principle of privacy had not been upheld," after ruling on Prince Charles letters http://t.co/0maBxOlOnq
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:38 AM
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Peter Hunt ‏@BBCPeterHunt 1 min1 minute ago
.@David_Cameron :This is a disappointing judgment and we will now consider how to release these letters
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:14 AM
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Someone wants Charles's head on a plate ...
I can feel the satisfaction and the excitation of some people to the prospect of seeing Charles being trapped by his own meddling.
Sad day for the Monarchy.
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:29 AM
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I think Charles will come out of this with his head held high. The monarchy has survived much worse
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:31 AM
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Whatever is revealed, by publication of these PRIVATE letters [and I expect it to be very little INDEED], the Prince remains Heir to the Throne, and Future King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of the other realms and territories.

The Guardian may want his head on a plate, but they shan't get it !
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Old 03-26-2015, 08:01 AM
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@BBCBreaking: Clarence House "disappointed the principle of privacy had not been upheld," after ruling on Prince Charles letters Prince Charles letters to be released after Supreme Court ruling - BBC News
Ha! Of course Clarence House is disappointed! They're used to getting their own way and don't like it when it doesn't happen.

Now where are those letters........
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Old 03-26-2015, 08:44 AM
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I'm glad these letters are going to be released. If Charles is, as I suspect, an incorrigible meddler who believes that he has a perfect right to interfere in legislation and lobby for changes in the law, (especially with regard to his hobby horses) all will become clear in the fullness of time.

I've always worried about this aspect of Charles's persona. He is in very many ways a superb Prince of Wales. However, if any attempted influencing of ministers comes to light as a result of these letters then his reputation will suffer, perhaps irreparably. Charles is not elected and he should leave the framing of laws to Parliament. That's what it's there for.
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