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Old 02-11-2011, 01:34 AM
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Prince Charles is almost too informed and intelligent for his own purpose. Whether he alone controls his PR machine or he has hired professionals, his low profile works very well for him.

I admire him very much. He is very impressive.
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Old 02-11-2011, 10:26 AM
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I'm a big fan of Charles, admire his tenacity over all these years to all his environmental, sustainable causes. However, he and I do disagree. Climate "crisis" is bunk.
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The Prince of Wales has said that climate change may have been one of the causes of the current bloody civil war in Syria.

The heir to the throne has long been a passionate campaigner on environmental issues and linked the conflict which has left hundreds of thousands dead, created millions of refugees and seen the rise of Islamic State (IS), with drought in the Middle Eastern nation.

In the interview with Sky News, to be broadcast tonight but filmed before last week's deadly Islamist terrorist attack in Paris that left 130 people dead, Charles talks about his belief that there are links between climate change and terrorism.

He also urged governments to adopt green measures despite austerity, saying there was "a real possibility of nature's bank going bust".
Read more: Prince Charles: Climate change is cause of civil war in Syria and rise of Islamic State | Western Daily Press
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Old 11-23-2015, 07:55 AM
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No wonder why the PoW's sanity is questioned from time to time.
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Old 11-23-2015, 09:35 AM
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I've heard that there's a link between these two even before Prince Charles mentioned it.
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Old 11-23-2015, 10:50 AM
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No wonder why the PoW's sanity is questioned from time to time.
It is a very serious statement. A lot of researchers have already expressed the same idea and links between climate change and terrorism are a very serious matter even for Pentagon.
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Old 11-23-2015, 01:00 PM
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As usual HRH is correct- It's well-documented that from 2006-2010, the 'Fertile Crescent', the agricultural area that covers parts of northern Syria as well as Iraq, Lebanon and Israel, experienced the worst drought on record.

The drought, coupled with poor irrigation techniques and government mismanagement, resulted in an agricultural collapse.

This collapse caused tens of thousands of people from farming communities in the rural north to migrate en masse to southern cities in order to earn a living - the theory goes that this mass migration caused overcrowding, poverty and youth unemployment, which occurred as food prices roses due to the scarcity of grain.
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Old 11-23-2015, 01:08 PM
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Exactly so, wyevale. This connection has been suggested since quite a few years. Below is an article on a recently published study. It has been theorized that the climate shift will cause population displacement, civil conflict, refugees and basically destabilize whole regions. That it has already been happening has up to now only been surmised.

Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says: Research provides first deep look at how global warming may already influence armed conflict. By Craig Welch, for National Geographic PUBLISHED MARCH 02, 2015
LINK: Climate Change Helped Spark Syrian War, Study Says
TEXT: "A severe drought, worsened by a warming climate, drove Syrian farmers to abandon their crops and flock to cities, helping trigger a civil war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, according to a new study published Monday. The research provides the most detailed look yet at how climate change may already be helping spark violent political unrest. "Up until now we've understood and established that changes in climate may affect human conflict in the future. But everything until now has stopped short of saying climate change is already having an effect," says Solomon Hsiang, a University of California, Berkeley professor who has studied the role of climate change in violence. He did not participate in the new study.

"The authors acknowledge that many factors led to Syria's uprising, including corrupt leadership, inequality, massive population growth, and the government's inability to curb human suffering. But their report, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, compiled statistics showing that water shortages in the Fertile Crescent in Syria, Iraq, and Turkey killed livestock, drove up food prices, sickened children, and forced 1.5 million rural residents to the outskirts of Syria's jam-packed cities—just as that country was exploding with immigrants from the Iraq war. (Related: "Half of Syrians Displaced: 5 Takeaways From New UN Report.")
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The entire climate change debate has political undertones and it usually splits down the middle between liberals and conservatives.

There will be people who agree with Charles and there will be just as many who disagree with him.
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Old 11-23-2015, 01:34 PM
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The entire climate change debate has political undertones and it usually splits down the middle between liberals and conservatives.

There will be people who agree with Charles and there will be just as many who disagree with him.
This is a topic I have been involved in for some years, since I was in college. The split is a bit more complicated than that imo. It has to do with education, science and media bias in certain quarters (Rupert Murdoch has a lot to answer for). It has to do with how one approaches the science, and whether the disinformation campaign set in motion in the 1990's by the oil companies took hold for one, causing one to doubt the science and the scientists.

Is there a thread on climate change on this site? Because of some whistle blowers, we have the below information.

How Exxon went from leader to skeptic on climate change research
By KATIE JENNINGS, DINO GRANDONI AND SUSANNE RUST - OCT. 23, 2015
LINK: http://graphics.latimes.com/exxon-research/
TEXT: "Throughout much of the 1980s, Exxon earned a public reputation as a pioneer in climate change research. It sponsored workshops, funded academic research and conducted its own high-tech experiments exploring the science behind global warming. But by 1990, the company, in public, took a different posture. While still funding select research, it poured millions into a campaign that questioned climate change. Over the next 15 years, it took out prominent ads in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, contending climate change science was murky and uncertain. And it argued regulations aimed at curbing global warming were ill-considered and premature.

"How did one of the world’s largest oil companies, a leader in climate research, become one of its biggest public skeptics? The answer, gleaned from a trove of archived company documents and the recollections of former employees, is that Exxon, now known as Exxon Mobil, feared a growing public consensus would lead to financially burdensome policies."
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Ahead of #COP21, watch The Prince of Wales's full interview about the environment & climate change tonight at 8pm on @SkyNews. #RoadtoParis
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Old 11-23-2015, 04:24 PM
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Whatever his views I don't think now is the time to bring them up. Indeed it does make people think "looney Charles at it again " IMO there is so much hurt and terror now we don't need Charles rolling out his ideas. He needs to take a leaf out if his parents and grandparents book and be there for the people giving support


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Old 11-23-2015, 05:02 PM
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Whatever his views I don't think now is the time to bring them up. Indeed it does make people think "looney Charles at it again " IMO there is so much hurt and terror now we don't need Charles rolling out his ideas. He needs to take a leaf out if his parents and grandparents book and be there for the people giving support


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The interview was done before the attacks.
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The interview was done before the attacks.

Well it shows then there is a good reason to stay out of politics and a divided subject like this when things can change so quickly.


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Old 11-23-2015, 06:59 PM
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Well it shows then there is a good reason to stay out of politics and a divided subject like this when things can change so quickly.
Makes no sense. Silence, when one knows what the stakes are, would be unconscionable. As we proceed (and we are warming far faster than predicted), migrating populations, with the resulting tensions and potential for violence, will increase. We are seeing changes we thought were a century away (if we did nothing).

I am very curious what Charles will say. My guess: far from 'looney.' If only it could be that easily dismissed.
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He might be seen as meddling in government affairs (haven't been following that story so really can't say what's true or not) but other than that he's seems to be a wise and intellectual man and genuinely concerned about these issues and their effects on humanity.


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Has the Queen ever got involved in something that divides people ?
IMO royalty should leave politics to those elected.


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The war on terror is about how best to fight terror and is political in so far as the government in the western world is elected. The discussion about the war on terror at this point in time is topical.

Climate change and its impact on humanity are a lifelong discussion topic for any thinking human being. I do not see any overt politics involved in Charles environmental stance. After all, governments have come and governments have gone in the time since he took his first tentative steps into the state of the environment.

Just because some people do not want to address the issue is no reason to label it as political and demand the PoW firmly stick his head in the ground and act like an ostrich. There are far too many supposedly intelligent people doing that already!

To my knowledge, National Geographic et al have never been noted for their rousing political stance on anything. And calling people names is one of the standard calling cards of fully paid up members of the flat earth society.
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He might be seen as meddling in government affairs (haven't been following that story so really can't say what's true or not) but other than that he's seems to be a wise and intellectual man and genuinely concerned about these issues and their effects on humanity.
Climate Change is not 'government affairs'. Climate Change is an event that should have every human alive on this planet standing at full alert. We all have a right to speak our minds on this issue, and that would include Charles. It is the corporatists who do not want free discourse on the topic, and would not want someone with Charles' high profile speaking his 'green' perspective.

Watch carefully how Charles will be dismissed as 'crackers'. Watch the ad hominem comments come flooding in. We can all have disagreements about details, and even substance. But why is it that with some issues (like Climate Change) the pro-camp have to be denigrated to the extent of their persons? Why wolves to a blood-letting? Think about it.

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The war on terror is about how best to fight terror and is political in so far as the government in the western world is elected. The discussion about the war on terror at this point in time is topical.

Climate change and its impact on humanity are a lifelong discussion topic for any thinking human being. I do not see any overt politics involved in Charles environmental stance. After all, governments have come and governments have gone in the time since he took his first tentative steps into the state of the environment.

Just because some people do not want to address the issue is no reason to label it as political and demand the PoW firmly stick his head in the ground and act like an ostrich. There are far too many supposedly intelligent people doing that already!

To my knowledge, National Geographic et al have never been noted for their rousing political stance on anything. And calling people names is one of the standard calling cards of fully paid up members of the flat earth society.
I agree. Good points.
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