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Old 01-08-2005, 12:33 PM
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You just can win...If they did it quietly, no one would find out and then there would be bickering that the princes are lazy and good for nothing. If they do announce it it is just for publicity.

On the positive side, even if it is for their own good press, it is good publicity for the relief effort and may get even more people to help out.
I agree! There is an article out today (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005002487,00.html) about how the British public is "outraged" by the Royal family's lack of presence in the time of the disaster. Had William and Harry gone quietly and volunteered and done the work people would have been outraged that the two princes were out enjoying themselves when people were suffering in other countries, much like the outrage that people expressed in not seeing Crown Princess Victoria for an extended amount of time following the Tsunami, and yet I see no one claiming it's a horrible PR stunt when she arrived just in time to look incredibly upset at when the first coffins arrived in Sweden. (I'm not saying that CP Victoria's presence was a PR coupe-just trying to make a point!) No one claimed that Madeleine and Carl Philip's personal monetary donations and apperance on the televised fund raiser were nothing more the PR stunts- why is that? What's the difference? No one knows for sure that William and Harry didn't chose to do this because they wanted to so why not give them the benefit of the doubt in the fact that they actually went out and did something useful, something more than many Royals across Europe and even in their own family did-they helped, they worked hard, and honestly to help those who are suffering.
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Old 01-08-2005, 06:13 PM
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You just can win...If they did it quietly, no one would find out and then there would be bickering that the princes are lazy and good for nothing. If they do announce it it is just for publicity.
Exactly. And if they tried to get involved, there'd also be criticism that they were taking precious resources away from the professionals by being around and getting in the way. The Queen made a statement about the disaster on the day it happened, which is more than some other western heads of state managed to do.
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Old 01-09-2005, 08:08 AM
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I think the Princes did this out of the goodness of their hearts. Say what you like about their mother but she did teach them compassion for others.

I think seeing them actually do something instead of just handing money is helpful and shows that they really do care.
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Old 01-11-2005, 09:05 AM
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I find both princes refreshingly normal given that instead of having two parents, they have tens of thousands opinionating on their every move.
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Old 01-16-2005, 10:50 PM
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I have a question to ask: do you think Prince Charles has neglected his duties as a father? I read a story that implied exactly that, but I'm not sure what to believe.
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Old 01-17-2005, 12:38 AM
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Well, when Diana was alive, her friends in the press were pushing the "Charles is a bad father" line for all they were worth. It seems to have become a bit less prevalent since then, but with the boys at Eton and the press staying away from them, nobody was really reporting anything.

"Charles is a bad father; what would Diana think???" is the sort of thing that's going to sell papers, so it's the sort of thing we're going to see written about. Whether it's true or not.
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:53 PM
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I think he's actually a very loving and caring father, and always has been, but Diana had a way of manipulating the press and it made it look like he wasn't.

I do however think he is much to easy on both boys and needs to take more of a stand in that sense.
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Old 01-18-2005, 03:57 PM
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I think he's actually a very loving and caring father, and always has been, but Diana had a way of manipulating the press and it made it look like he wasn't.

I do however think he is much to easy on both boys and needs to take more of a stand in that sense.
From the way the boys have been behaving, I would think he is an absentee father. I'm shocked that Charles did not feel it necessary to either leave his vacation to speak with Harry in person or summon Harry to Balmoral in Scotland where he and Camilla have been spending time. I think the general consensus is that after Diana died, the boys have been raising themselves - without strong parental guidance. This is a recipe for disaster.
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:38 PM
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The way both boy speak of their father and the way "Royal Insiders" speak of the three it seems that Charles has been a great father-or at least that's what I'm basing my information off of...

As far as him coming home from his vacation, or summoning Harry to him, my thought's are these... Harry is an adult he is 20 years old and fully capable of making his own decisions. There is no reason while Charles, as a parent should have to end his own vacation, to scold his adult son. No other parent is truly responsible for punishing or scolding or changing their children's actions once they are full grown adults. This was Harry's decision and he should have to receive the "wrath" of the public. When Harry was caught up in the whole drug scandal, it was right for Charles to step in and do something, had he not I would say he was an absentee parent and a pushover. This however is completely different. Harry needs to learn to be responsible for his own actions, and need to learn that there are consequences-that his father and the various advisors can't just sweep things under a rug with the same old excuse, "Poor little Harry has had a rough life. It's hard living in the spotlight." There are hundreds of thousands of people who live in the spotlight daily.
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I agree that he seems to be an absent father. He works so much! In a documentary about Prince Charles, a specialist on the royal family said that his work as a Prince takes 90% of his time.. That might explain his absent.
Did he not even left his vacation with Camilla to talk to Harry??? Whoa..thats news to me!! I think he is a good father, perhaps a bit old fashioned and traditional, but very caring. I suppose both William and Harry have been taken care of Nannys all their life...
Prince Harry needs to calm down and get some perspective on life..!!
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I agree, Britters. Sooner or later, Harry has to realise that he's the one who's responsible for his actions and that daddy won't always be there to pick up the pieces and tell him what to do.
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The way both boy speak of their father and the way "Royal Insiders" speak of the three it seems that Charles has been a great father-or at least that's what I'm basing my information off of...

As far as him coming home from his vacation, or summoning Harry to him, my thought's are these... Harry is an adult he is 20 years old and fully capable of making his own decisions. There is no reason while Charles, as a parent should have to end his own vacation, to scold his adult son. No other parent is truly responsible for punishing or scolding or changing their children's actions once they are full grown adults. This was Harry's decision and he should have to receive the "wrath" of the public. When Harry was caught up in the whole drug scandal, it was right for Charles to step in and do something, had he not I would say he was an absentee parent and a pushover. This however is completely different. Harry needs to learn to be responsible for his own actions, and need to learn that there are consequences-that his father and the various advisors can't just sweep things under a rug with the same old excuse, "Poor little Harry has had a rough life. It's hard living in the spotlight." There are hundreds of thousands of people who live in the spotlight daily.
While I agree that Harry needs to take responsibility for his owns actions, I strongly believe that Harry's behavior today is a direct result of a lack of parental supervision or input. I don't believe Harry has had any harder a life other children who lose one parent while young. Like you, I don't feel Diana's death is any excuse for Harry's idiotic behavior. If he was a sensible son, he would try his best to be a good son just to honor her memory. Charles has pretty much allowed his yes-men advisors to "raise" Harry, not fully realizing that his son has not received proper guidance, is out of control and probably needs the gas slapped straight out of him. Harry is 20 going on 6, and seems to be content being a court jester.

There is a reason why Charles and his siblings never gave as much trouble as Harry: their parents set boundaries that they dared not to cross. QEII and Philip were not bad parents, the only child who has complained is Charles, who of all the children, probably received the most attention. Charles had both the Queen and Philip in his life as authority figures. Harry is directly Charles' responsibility yet he has no authority figure. I don't pity Harry in any way, but I recognize that his actions are a direct result of a lack of discipline and guidance from an authority figure. They should have dumped that boy in boot camp right after leaving Eton. After serving two years as an enlisted soldier, then I feel he would be worthy to enrol in a presitgious officer training course.
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Finally it seems as at least the staff is beginning to realise that this media agreement might be a hinder for William for his future role, and that it's rediculous to have it for two adults. I hope it will be removed, and that both of the boys will be kicked right into the world of the royal working world as soon as possible...

Harry may get larger royal role

Buckingham Palace is pressing Prince Harry to shoulder the duties of a working royal in an effort to curb his wayward behaviour. The palace initiative, which will also affect Prince William, ends the policy of shielding the princes from public exposure, which was introduced after the death of their mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, in 1997.

One source said: "Working hard helped remake the reputation of the Princess Royal and of the Earl of Wessex. It will also be the answer for Harry."

Harry's ill-judged decision a week ago to don a Nazi uniform for a fancy dress party occurred in one of the many rest periods during his current double "gap year".

By contrast, the Prince of Wales was regularly undertaking royal engagements by the age of 20. One palace source said William risked becoming embroiled in embarrassing incidents if he had no formal plan after graduation this summer. He is expected to begin a low-key programme of official engagements directly after completing his education at St Andrews University, Scotland.

An adviser said: "The boys are now grown men and the arrangements put in place when they lost their mother no longer make sense." This weekend there were the first signs that courtiers at Clarence House — as well as the palace — believed both princes should at last be eased into formal royal engagements. Neither is expected to claim payments from the civil list.
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Annoucement from Clarence House yesterday:

APPOINTMENT OF PRIVATE SECRETARY TO PRINCE WILLIAM AND PRINCE HARRY

Mr Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton MVO, MBE has been appointed Private Secretary to Prince William and Prince Harry on a part-time basis. He will take up his post on 2nd May, when he will become responsible for providing advice and organising The Princes’ activities.

Mr Lowther-Pinkerton, a former Army officer and Equerry to Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, will work at Clarence House for two-and-a-half days a week. He will liaise closely with Sir Michael Peat, Private Secretary to HRH The Prince of Wales, and Miss Helen Asprey, Personal Secretary to the two Princes.

The timing of Mr Lowther-Pinkerton’s appointment coincides with Prince Harry’s entry into the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst in May, and Prince William’s completion in June of his degree course at the University of St Andrews.
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Wills and Harry receive former SAS adivisor:



4 MARCH 2005

Princes William and Harry are set to get a new private secretary. Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, a former equerry to the Queen Mother, has been given the job of helping steer the young Princes as they take on more public duties.

The part-time appointment comes at a particularly important time for William who graduates from St Andrews University this June and is expected to step into a more public role. Mr Lowther-Pinkerton will also be able to provide support and guidance for Harry who will be following in his footsteps when he attends Sandhurst this May.

The Princes first official paid minder is also expected to act as an advisor to the boys, aiding them in choosing what engagements to take on, and what charitable work to get involved in as they get older and take on more official duties.

In the course of his military career the 44-year-old father of three has worked in many of the world's most dangerous trouble spots. He has participated in several conflicts, including the first Gulf War.

As the director and co-founder of a safety awareness training company, the former SAS man and MBE holder is no stranger to offering support and guidance to young people. He has run courses teaching gap year students how to survive the perils of foreign travel for several years.

Mr Lowther-Pinkerton was also the man actor Ewan McGregor and his friend Charley Boorman turned to for survival training prior to embarking on their three-month motorbike ride from London to New York last year.


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Charles has pretty much allowed his yes-men advisors to "raise" Harry, .
An interesting assertion.

Is there any evidence to support it?
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When will they go to Kloster ? It seems me that it's before the wedding but if someone know the date...
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I've heard things about Kloster and the prospect of Camilla going, but no date.
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