The Monarchy under Charles

[the1mcgraws]

Originally Posted by serenissima

Oh, whenever I sing the National Anthem, I do mean "Long to reign over us" bit. Those clergy people who are close to the Queen in their service say that she sees her office is as an ordained ministry that she will never think of anything like an early retirement before her own demise as in abdication.

I cannot imagine that the Queen will ever abdicate. At least I hope not.
She has been good for the country. And based ont he age of her mother, I cannot imagine she is going anywhere anytime soon. Frankly.....I think Charles is destined to have a very short reign and I think he knows that.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by serenissima

Now, many parish churches are closed or sold away to be converted into some luxury flats etc or simply demolished to build some new flats etc. Places such as St Paul's in London etc struggle to keep up their colloosal buildings.

The CoE and the Catholic church are among the richest institutions in the country, the reason the churches are being sold off is due to lack of church goers which equals a lack of local funds.
Church of England stores up riches on Earth | Business | The Guardian

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by serenissima

Oh, because I was under the impression that you thought that the Church of England was funded by the public sector.

Really? How come? I can't recall having ever said anything about the CoE and money...

[tommy1716]

I keep wondering about the idea of a slimmed down monarchy - from what the media says and the general impression overall it might seem that Charles is not particularly close to his siblings and nieces and nephews, so this means he might see it as acceptable to "cut out" some members of the family in the sense of public engagements and public roles, but do you think the public and the media would accept Charles effectively telling Ann to stop working? Especaiily as for example, Camilla doesn't work nearly as hard as Ann. Wouldn't it just make Charles look, well, vindictive?

[PrinceOfCanada]

I cannot imagine that the Queen will ever abdicate. At least I hope not.

She won't. This has been said time and time and time again. HM's reign will end with her death, period. Even if (God forbid!) she becomes incapacitated, there will be a Regency, not an abdication.

[Kezza]

Originally Posted by tommy1716

I keep wondering about the idea of a slimmed down monarchy - from what the media says and the general impression overall it might seem that Charles is not particularly close to his siblings and nieces and nephews, so this means he might see it as acceptable to "cut out" some members of the family in the sense of public engagements and public roles, but do you think the public and the media would accept Charles effectively telling Ann to stop working? Especaiily as for example, Camilla doesn't work nearly as hard as Ann. Wouldn't it just make Charles look, well, vindictive?

That's my worry with Charles as king, because I do tend to think Charles is Jealous of his siblings. I do think he might be vindicitive towards them, which will cause a massive scandal.

I think Charles is his own worst enemy at times.

Which of Charles siblings would Charles be more vindictive towards, I have a hunch it will be towards the Wessex's family.

[Madame Royale]

I just hope he'll be known as Charles III!

[tinkerbell1948]

Originally Posted by Kezza

That's my worry with Charles as king, because I do tend to think Charles is Jealous of his siblings. I do think he might be vindicitive towards them, which will cause a massive scandal.

Kezza what do you base your thoughts on? It just never occurred to me that Charles would be jealous of Anne, Andrew and Edward

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Kezza

That's my worry with Charles as king, because I do tend to think Charles is Jealous of his siblings. I do think he might be vindicitive towards them, which will cause a massive scandal.

I think Charles is his own worst enemy at times.

Which of Charles siblings would Charles be more vindictive towards, I have a hunch it will be towards the Wessex's family.

Even if you're right: what can he do to them? HM will make provisions in her will for all her children and in public life Charles is bound by the rules. But somehow I at least don't see him as vindictive at all.

[Kezza]

Originally Posted by tinkerbell1948

Kezza what do you base your thoughts on? It just never occurred to me that Charles would be jealous of Anne, Andrew and Edward

I get the feeling at times he is a bit jealous of them because the three of them to some extent get more loving attention from either The Queen or Prince Phillip in some way. I don't think Charles has ever had the same level of closeness to his parents, than what his younger siblings have had. Maybe some of that has been down to him.

For Example I think the Queen is closer to Andrew and Edward and Prince Phillip's favourite child is Anne and Favourite son is Edward.

That's just a feeling I get, but I could be wrong.

[PrinceOfCanada]

I just hope he'll be known as Charles III!

Won't happen. See Charles I and Charles II for the reasons why. He is most likely to reign as George VII, per Wikipedia.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Kezza

I get the feeling at times he is a bit jealous of them because the three of them to some extent get more loving attention from either The Queen or Prince Phillip in some way. I don't think Charles has ever had the same level of closeness to his parents, than what his younger siblings have had. Maybe some of that has been down to him.

For Example I think the Queen is closer to Andrew and Edward and Prince Phillip's favourite child is Anne and Favourite son is Edward.

That's just a feeling I get, but I could be wrong.

Yes, maybe, but he is close to 60 now and has a loving family of his own, so I doubt he worries about such things, as they to a degree happen in all families.As he is the heir it could well be that it's the other way round...

Maybe he feels he had been treated harsher than the others but then he must see there was a reason behind it. And his choice of darling wife (the second, of course!) tells me a lot about who he regarded as his real mother, which was the Queen Mum. IMHO, of course.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by PrinceOfCanada

Won't happen. See Charles I and Charles II for the reasons why. He is most likely to reign as George VII, per Wikipedia.

Better look who would have been Charles III....

[tommy1716]

I think part of Charles' apperance of being vidicitive to his siblings is the fault of his staff. I rememeber that after the whole Ardent TV filming Prince Willaim at Uni fiasco that it was reported that Charles aides had briefied the media against Ed and Sophie.

I just feel that Charles likes being centre of attention and thus when he ebcomes King will want all the attention upon him, CAmilla, HArry and William. Thus we would probably like his siblings to stop performing, at least so many, public engagements. Whilst doing this to Ed and Andy might not be so controversial i think telling Ann to stop would be seen as simply petty, she's worked so hard for so long that she has earned the right to do as she pleases.

Can you just imagine Anne still working when Charles is King? I mean you'd have "Queen" Camilla performing a few engagements a month and the King's sister performing 600+ a year. I don't think Charles will let that sisutation happen, so the only answer is to get Ann to drop her engagements.

Here are some links to some stories:

Knives out for spin doctor as royals feud | UK news | The Observer
Has the puppet-master of St James's finally pulled one string too many? - Telegraph
It was me what spun it | UK news | The Guardian
Revealed: the vicious feud behind that Charles row | the Daily Mail
Philip turns on Wills in TV row | the Daily Mail

[love_cc]

I doubt Prince Charles can do anything to stop Princess Anne and he won't do. Princess Anne is very much her own person and even in their childhood it was Princess Anne who play the leader role. Prince Charles will not and will be not able to put any pressure on Princess Anne. I am quite sure about this.

Basically I don't see the problems of his siblings keeping their works in Charles' reign. It is about the royal family's integrated valuation and I don't see Prince Charles to change that. He may be not happy about the way he was/is treated by his parents but I don't think he would do anything to jepodise the stablilty of the monarchy and damage the image of the monarchy.

Even the royal silbings rivals are always there in private, there will be public peace among them.

[BeatrixFan]

I think Charles and Anne are quite close. I can't see there being any rivalry there.

[tommy1716]

I have to admit when it comes to Anne i think Charles and she get on well privatley, but i still think wen it comes ot public duties and the performing of lack of my Ann and Camilla, Charles aides at least, might seek to find a solution to avoid any embrassing comparisons. However i think Charles might personally like to see Ed disspear off the public royal map.

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by PrinceOfCanada

Won't happen. See Charles I and Charles II for the reasons why. He is most likely to reign as George VII, per Wikipedia.

You don't know that, and there's no reason he shouldn't. It is his name, and being known as 'George' will only encouraged the eccentric illustration of a man which has haunted him for a number of years now. To be known by any other name would be rediculous, in this day and age anyhow.

And if he is of a superstitious mind, then he should perhaps rethink his position (at the time) as Supreme Governor of the Church of England because as we all know, superstition can't exist if you are a true believer of faith.

As for wikipedia? Hardly a source of reliable truth's.

Charles III he should be, though if he decides otherwise, I think this will imprint the image of a weak man on the minds of many (not least of all myself), who is scared to even use his own name for sake of association with Monarch's of an entirely different nature and era.

The Queen named her son Charles, and he should honour that.