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Old 01-13-2007, 06:21 AM
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It's only the opinion of the British people that matters. Nobody else. Why should it worry anyone else? If they don't like the way we do things, they can always create Royal Houses of their own and dictate to them.
Whoa there! She's our Queen too! We of the Commonwealth (ex colonies of Britain) reserve our right to worry or not, as is our wont!

Do you really think we would rather find some shonky ex Prime Minister or Billionaire of dubious standing to replace our Royal Family?

How would you like Queen Maggie (Thatcher), King Tony (Blair) or even King Richard (Branston). Just think how much smaller our population resource is.

We want our Queen (and Royal Family)!
We will have our Queen; and
You will just have to put up with we stroppy colonials.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:27 AM
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What I did say was "it was made clear when they got married that she would never use that title out of respect to Diana.'' Meaning, Clarence House issued a statement on behalf of the couple, so there is no direct quote from either camilla or charles about the matter. Perhaps I should have made that clear.
Nowhere did CH, Charles or Camilla say that the title would not be used 'out of respect for Diana', who after the divorce could never be Queen!

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''Polls say most people do not think Mrs Parker Bowles should have a title many had hoped would one day be held by Diana, Princess of Wales''
I think we have gone this route before. Most of the polls mentioned are ones that people can phone in or click for/against on their computer, as many times as they want, have money to spend or time to waste. The others seem to choose to telephone 1000 people within a certain area (normally London or the major cities), hardly accurate or reliable.
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:30 AM
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Whoa there! She's our Queen too! We of the Commonwealth (ex colonies of Britain) reserve our right to worry or not, as is our wont!

Do you really think we would rather find some shonky ex Prime Minister or Billionaire of dubious standing to replace our Royal Family?

How would you like Queen Maggie (Thatcher), King Tony (Blair) or even King Richard (Branston). Just think how much smaller our population resource is.

We want our Queen (and Royal Family)!
We will have our Queen; and
You will just have to put up with we stroppy colonials.
Now look here, you stroppy colonial.....

Well said!
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Old 01-13-2007, 07:39 AM
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Whoa there! She's our Queen too! We of the Commonwealth (ex colonies of Britain) reserve our right to worry or not, as is our wont!

Do you really think we would rather find some shonky ex Prime Minister or Billionaire of dubious standing to replace our Royal Family?

How would you like Queen Maggie (Thatcher), King Tony (Blair) or even King Richard (Branston). Just think how much smaller our population resource is.

We want our Queen (and Royal Family)!
We will have our Queen; and
You will just have to put up with we stroppy colonials.
Well said, fellow stroppy colonial.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:04 AM
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Regardless if my opinion matters or not, I want the Duchess to be addressed as Queen Camilla whenever the time comes. I just wanted to know what the latest "opinion poll" says in the UK. There are a good number of us rooting for her across the pond ya know?!
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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The only way Camilla can be Princess Consort is for Parliament and the Crown Commonwealth nations to pass legislation stating the wife of the King will not automatically share his rank, instead being styled at the will of the Sovereign as fount of honour. At that point, the King is free to issue letters patent creating her a princess and defining her precedence.

Legally, Camilla is automatically Queen with her own rights and dignity under the succession. Only by passing legislation can she hold a lesser rank and title.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:44 PM
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The only way Camilla can be Princess Consort is for Parliament and the Crown Commonwealth nations to pass legislation stating the wife of the King will not automatically share his rank, instead being styled at the will of the Sovereign as fount of honour. At that point, the King is free to issue letters patent creating her a princess and defining her precedence.

Legally, Camilla is automatically Queen with her own rights and dignity under the succession. Only by passing legislation can she hold a lesser rank and title.
I totally agree with your post and ask this question not to argue but out of pure interest.
Camilla will automatically become Queen when Charles becomes King; I think that's pretty certain, since the legislation would be pointless and just waste of money and time.
But what will keep Camilla from being known as Queen Consort (not necessarily hold the title of Princess Consort)?
Not that I want it happen, Camilla will legally be Queen (and a terrific one, imo) and I hope she will use the title)
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:51 PM
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Regardless if my opinion matters or not, I want the Duchess to be addressed as Queen Camilla whenever the time comes. I just wanted to know what the latest "opinion poll" says in the UK. There are a good number of us rooting for her across the pond ya know?!
I havn't seen any new polls lately. Her supporters seems to be growing by the day, but it is always nice to have people from across the pond routing for her, I should think!
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:44 PM
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I totally agree with your post and ask this question not to argue but out of pure interest.
Camilla will automatically become Queen when Charles becomes King; I think that's pretty certain, since the legislation would be pointless and just waste of money and time.
But what will keep Camilla from being known as Queen Consort (not necessarily hold the title of Princess Consort)?
Not that I want it happen, Camilla will legally be Queen (and a terrific one, imo) and I hope she will use the title)

Camilla will keep Camilla from being known as Queen Consort. She can make it very clear to the public the title she will be called and so can the rest of the royal family.


Barring an act of Parliament or Letters Patent from the King, the only thing keeping her from using the title she will be lawfully allowed to use is her.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:48 PM
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Although she could legally choose any name as her consort name. For example, she could choose to be known as Queen Mary from "Rosemary".
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:50 PM
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Although she could legally choose any name as her consort name. For example, she could choose to be known as Queen Mary from "Rosemary".

True, Princess Victoria Mary of Teck took the name Queen Mary, as it sounded better than Queen May (which is the name she preferred to be called).
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If Charles chose the name of King George VII, we could end up with another King George and Queen Mary.
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:53 PM
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The Commonwealth needs to pass an Act of Parliament naming the monarch here is the link to the Canadian one for QE II http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc...Printing=false (which is the only one other than New Zealand to have Defender of the Faith)

When Charles becomes King they will need to do this again, so they can add Camilla in or leave it alone and let the British Parliament decide. But since Queen Elizabeth was the first there is no precedence on how to handle the consort (Prince Philip for example is not the Prince of New Zealand)
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:05 PM
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If Charles chose the name of King George VII, we could end up with another King George and Queen Mary.

Has Charles given any indication that he wants to go by the name George VII? I'm just curious as to whether he's ever talked about it.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:12 PM
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It's only really hearsay and gossip. He's never said publicly but apparantly, he's said it quite often privately depending on who you believe.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:16 PM
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I totally agree with your post and ask this question not to argue but out of pure interest.
Camilla will automatically become Queen when Charles becomes King; I think that's pretty certain, since the legislation would be pointless and just waste of money and time.
But what will keep Camilla from being known as Queen Consort (not necessarily hold the title of Princess Consort)?
Not that I want it happen, Camilla will legally be Queen (and a terrific one, imo) and I hope she will use the title)
If Camilla doesn't want to be known as Queen Consort, a title must be created for her with precedence defined by the Crown. Since she is automatically Queen Consort in her own right under the succession, the Prime Minister would have to consult with Parliament to see if they would agree to the change without legislation.

It is impossible to see how they could accomplish this without ignoring the precedents of 1936. It was made clear then the wife of the King is Queen Consort and nothing else. As Head of State, the King is above the law and his wife is Queen in her own right. Because the Government and Dominions would not accept Wallis as Queen Consort nor pass legislation permitting the King to marrry morganatically, Edward VIII abdicated to avoid a crisis.

It's the same situation with Camilla, except she is already married and the wife of the future king. It's hard to see why a future PM or Parliament would agree to it.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:25 PM
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In that case, it seems a bit reckless for the official websites of the royal family to be saying that it's intended that after their marriage she'll be known as Princess Consort. I don't know if this was a way of trying to strong-arm a future government into agreeing to the change or some sort of rather clumsy way of placating the Diana supporters at the time the engagement was announced or what, but it seems as though it's just succeeded in causing confusion everywhere.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:30 PM
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Let's be realistic - the whole Princess Consort thing was to pacify the Di loons and then when it came to the coronation, they'd announce that constitutionally, Camilla couldn't be anything other than Queen and by that time the public would have accepted her. Unfortunately, big mouths in the BBC announced that fact before schedule.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:35 PM
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In that case, it seems a bit reckless for the official websites of the royal family to be saying that it's intended that after their marriage she'll be known as Princess Consort. I don't know if this was a way of trying to strong-arm a future government into agreeing to the change or some sort of rather clumsy way of placating the Diana supporters at the time the engagement was announced or what, but it seems as though it's just succeeded in causing confusion everywhere.
I agree! But I think Clarence House was trying to "slip it in" without too many questions being asked as to whether, in fact, the wife of the King could be Princess Consort without the consent of Parliament. Once members of Parliament raised this issue in the weeks after the announcement, the answer was....she cannot.

I think it is inevitable she will be Queen Camilla when and if Charles becomes King.
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Let's be realistic - the whole Princess Consort thing was to pacify the Di loons and then when it came to the coronation, they'd announce that constitutionally, Camilla couldn't be anything other than Queen and by that time the public would have accepted her. Unfortunately, big mouths in the BBC announced that fact before schedule.
That's exactly what will happen. The Prime Minister will say after consulting with constitutional experts and Parliament, there is no precedent for the wife of the King being anything but Queen and that's it.
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