The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #81  
Old 09-12-2007, 08:51 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Spring Hill, United States
Posts: 2,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russophile View Post
Yes, indeed it goes back to Henry 8th and his divorce to Catherine of Aragon which the Pope wouldn't recognize. Don't forget Catherine's parents were Ferdinand and Isabella, heavy hitters in the Catholic realm for the Pope. So that didn't sit well at all! Henry made himself head of the church and confiscated all the churchs lands for his own. He taxed them and took the wealth to fill his coffers because he was running into some expense entertaining lavishly at court. When Mary Tudor came to power, she turned the apple cart upside down and went back to Catholicism executing all those who didn't agree to re-convert. It wasn't for naught she was called "Bloody Mary". (And it's an awfully nice drink if made with horseradish and worchestershire) Elizabeth 1 went back to CoE. The people must have been mixed up and upset.
Well, long story short, marrying a Catholic DOES NOT make you Catholic. You have to be baptized and take communion, confession, etc. Mr. Russo's a Catholic and I'm a Jack Mormon. Go figure!
There is no way that the Royal Family wants to open that can of worms. If they reverse the law, what is to say that the current sitting Pope won't request all his lands and churches back that Henry took?? It could happen! Blacks are asking for reparations in America because their ancestors were brought here against their will.
Oh, what nonsense. The Pope isn't going to do that and the answer would be no. John Kennedy made it very clear that you could be a Catholic and not be dictated to by the Pope. This is the 21st century, not the 16th. The Pope has very little power. Influence in his own chuch, but only to some degree. Many American Catholics openly practice birth control and still go to church. The world has changed since Henry VIII.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 09-12-2007, 09:21 PM
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: ***, United States
Posts: 16,897
As long as we have an established church, the monarch has to be a member. If we don't, then I suppose the monarch could still be required by law to be CofE or Protestant or something, but I think that the fewer the number of people whose religious freedom is curtailed by requirements of state, the better.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 09-13-2007, 12:36 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,077
Quote:
Originally Posted by COUNTESS View Post
Oh, what nonsense. The Pope isn't going to do that and the answer would be no. John Kennedy made it very clear that you could be a Catholic and not be dictated to by the Pope. This is the 21st century, not the 16th. The Pope has very little power. Influence in his own chuch, but only to some degree. Many American Catholics openly practice birth control and still go to church. The world has changed since Henry VIII.
Yes, Countess, it IS the 21st century but guess what?? Mitt Romney is running for President and there are a LOT of scared people out there wondering what the Mormon church is going to do and/or how much influence they will have over Mitt. Again, go figure.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 09-13-2007, 12:58 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Spring Hill, United States
Posts: 2,516
Many are unsure because he is a Mormon, that doesn't mean the Pope will makes demands on a King of England. Many don't like Rommney because he seems to change he story and lie, so what he was for before, he is against now. But all of that is not the issue. The issue was, would a Pope make claims on an English Monarch if he married a Catholic. That was nonsense.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 09-13-2007, 01:10 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,077
My point is that you don't know. And if I were the CoE I would let things just lay there until you have a strong monarch in there who can bring some reforms.
Some things start small, then gather momentum and make sweeping changes.
You are in America. You have seen YouTube and the cry for reparations. Again, my point is: it could happen. You don't know.
(Well, unless you're Kreskin, and in that case, can I'd be divining the winning lottery numbers. . . . )
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 09-13-2007, 01:26 PM
BeatrixFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: London, United Kingdom
Posts: 6,843
The main issue with the Pope is power and influence. For example, the Pope decries abortion and countries with a Catholic monarch are expected to hold Catholic doctrine as the foundation for law. It's also the idea of the Pope holding power and influence over the English monarch. In Britain, the Church of England provides the basis for law (or did) and the monarch is answerable only to God (or parliament if you're not religious). It's a power and influence issue.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 09-13-2007, 02:51 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,077
I agree Beatrix, but before we get admonished we need to steer it back to no, the Duchess of Cornwall is NOT Catholic. A Catholic marriage does not make one Catholic.


(Okay, I'm doing it for brownie points. . . )
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 09-14-2007, 01:25 PM
Duchess's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: xx, Canada
Posts: 1,648
exactly right...marrying a catholic doesn't make you a catholic. camilla would have had to convert and since she didn't do that she is not a roman catholic.
__________________
Duchess
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 09-14-2007, 02:35 PM
iowabelle's Avatar
Royal Highness
Royal Blogger, TRF Author
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Des Moines, United States
Posts: 2,405
The rift between England and the Roman Church goes way back before Henry VIII. Remember the story of Henry II and Thomas a Becket -- that was basically the conflict between nationalism and the concept of a universal Christian church (and who got to wring the last coins out of the merchants and peasants). Sorry to digress.

Although Camilla might have been married to a Catholic, she doesn't strike me as the sort to have secret religious thoughts -- and probably adheres to the religion of her parents.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
act of settlement, camilla, catholicism, duchess of cornwall, line of succession


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camilla And The Public Duchess The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall 456 07-22-2014 08:12 AM
Catholic Royals BeatrixFan Royalty Past, Present, and Future 193 02-26-2014 06:41 PM
Would the Lux. Princes be allowed to marry a Non-Catholic? bad_barbarella Prince Felix, Princess Claire, Princess Alexandra, Prince Sebastien & Prince Louis with Family 117 10-24-2009 08:01 AM
What If William falls in love with a Catholic girl... Janet Prince Harry and Prince William 167 02-21-2008 03:51 AM
Will Camilla ever become Queen? polop The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall 59 12-02-2005 10:43 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria dutch royal history engagement fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg olympic games ottoman pom pregnancy president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess laurentien princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess marilene princess mary queen anne-marie queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague visit wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:47 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]