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Old 08-02-2017, 10:49 AM
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Lord, when last have seen Charles dressed down in shorts?
Prince Charles and Camilla on Greek tycoon's superyacht | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:32 AM
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When was the last time we saw them on holiday, abroad?! Lovely break for them. Charles might have gone straight from Belgium.
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When was the last time we saw them on holiday, abroad?! Lovely break for them. Charles might have gone straight from Belgium.
No, prince Charles returned in Scotland
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SOurce: Court Cirular:-

CHarles arrived from and returned to Scotland.

CAmbridges arrived on Sunday from, and returned on Monday to Norfolk(RAF Marham)
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:51 PM
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Just a question, how accurate is the Court Circular? Is it kept up to date with all of the official engagements?
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:30 PM
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The Court Circular is what determines whether or not an engagement is official - if it's not in the CC, it's not official.

The CC online is notorious for not being accurately maintained, but it is published in the Times weekly (I believe).
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:42 PM
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The CC is the official record of what is and isn't an official engagement and is approved daily by the monarch of the day.

It was established in the reign of George III to account for his, and his family's activities. There was some criticism that they didn't seem to be doing much so he arranged for The Times to publish the list each day and that has continued ever since.

The Times, and I believe at least two other papers - The Telegraph and one in Scotland - publish in their print editions the CC on weekdays but not public holidays or weekends.

The online CC was very good until the updated the website last year and now it regularly misses weeks at a time (this year, for instance, there are at least 240 engagements not recorded in the online CC that are in the print editions - based on the 'missing days' on the online CC. I would like to add that last year they missed a week in July that they finally put up in late November so who knows - with the summer holidays someone may even take the time to put up the missing days from February, May, June and July this year).

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Old 08-02-2017, 07:52 PM
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Just a question, how accurate is the Court Circular? Is it kept up to date with all of the official engagements?
The Court Circular is accurate and is published in the Times daily except on Sundays. Any activities for Sat and Sun are published on Monday.

What is not accurate is the maintenance of the CC on the royal website.

If the CC says Charles flew from Wick airport to Belgium and back, then he did.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:03 PM
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Thanks for all of the explanations. I've occasionally looked at the CC on the Royal website and thought sometimes it seemed not up-to-date, however I wondered if perhaps I hadn't searched correctly.
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Old 08-03-2017, 08:44 AM
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Charles and Camilla's superyacht summer holiday
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There were pictures of Charles and Camilla in Corfu last week. Does this mean Charles flew to Scotland from Corfu, then to Belgium, then back to Scotland, then back to Corfu? How odd
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Yes.

It's not actually odd - BRF policy is that they don't mix personal vacations with official trips - they can't fly from an official trip to a vacation, or vis versa. By adding Scotland into the mix, Charles is going from vacation (Corfu) home (Scotland), then from home to an official trip (Belgium); from there he goes back home again, before going on vacation.

Last fall Harry made the misstep of sidetracking to Toronto on his way home from the Caribbean, which received a lot of criticism from the press (both because it violated official policy and because KP had said previously that Harry would not be doing that).
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:25 PM
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It does seem strange though, as it seems to support wasting time, money and contributing adversely to the environment just for a potentially outdated policy. The policy supports 'downtime' during an official engagement, but not downtime after.
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There were pictures of Charles and Camilla in Corfu last week. Does this mean Charles flew to Scotland from Corfu, then to Belgium, then back to Scotland, then back to Corfu? How odd
It's old pictures. Prince Charles returned in Scotland and had few engagements there. Corfu trip was short.
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:24 PM
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It's old pictures. Prince Charles returned in Scotland and had few engagements there. Corfu trip was short.
That's what I thought. It makes more sense for the yacht pictures to be from last week.
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Old 08-03-2017, 02:05 PM
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It does seem strange though, as it seems to support wasting time, money and contributing adversely to the environment just for a potentially outdated policy. The policy supports 'downtime' during an official engagement, but not downtime after.


I don't disagree with it being silly and a bit frivolous, but there's a logic to it that makes it not entirely outdated.

Flying to Belgium means he's on the Crown's time and the Crown's dollar (or pound).

Flying to Corfu means he's on his time and his dollar.

In flying from Corfu to Scotland, then Scotland to Belgium, he's ensuring that there is a separation of expenses. It might ultimately all come out of the same pocket, but it's about appearances.

The issue isn't whether or not members of the BRF are allowed to go on vacation, or have "downtime", but rather that there is a clear separation between official work and vacation.

I'd add too that the downtime on official trips is somewhat different - a member of the BRF taking a day "off" while on a weeklong trip overseas is seen as acceptable because they're on a long trip. You don't typically see days off on trips that are shorter.
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Old 08-03-2017, 03:08 PM
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There were pictures of Charles and Camilla in Corfu last week. Does this mean Charles flew to Scotland from Corfu, then to Belgium, then back to Scotland, then back to Corfu? How odd
HE has carried out engagements in Scotland this week. I suspect that he's still in Scotland.
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Old 08-03-2017, 03:43 PM
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I only saw the pictures from the one visit on Aug 1st to the brewery, I'm not aware of any further engagements this week.

In regards to the policy about not traveling from an official engagement to a holiday, I guess my mistake is I think about it as an ordinary citizen. Where it's not about how things appear, but what is actually documented as an expense and will be reviewed by an accountant or auditor.
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:06 PM
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The brewery visit was the 1st August along with two other visits - a restaurant and a school - along with a meeting. All were in Scotland I assume as the place of the meeting isn't mentioned.

Court Circular - 1st August

The Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay this morning visited Captain's Galley Seafood Restaurant, the Harbour, Scrabster, and was received by Mr. William Watt (Deputy Lieutenant of Caithness).
His Royal Highness this afternoon visited Caithness Artists' Annual Exhibition, Thurso High School, Ormlie Road, Thurso, Caithness.
The Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay afterwards visited John o'Groats Brewery, the Old Fire Station, John o'Groats, Caithness.
His Royal Highness, Patron, the North Highland Initiative, later held a Meeting.

The 2nd August isn't up on the online CC yet.
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Old 08-03-2017, 08:16 PM
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^^Oh, those were the other visits, thanks. Clearly the more established CC is more reliable than the Clarence House Twitter feed that only has info about the brewery visit on Aug 1st.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:55 PM
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The CC is the 'official record' of the engagements of the BRF. What they may send out via twitter or other forms is not complete - it is the same as the Future Engagements which don't include the Wales or York families at all unless they are going with other family members. The Cambridge's announce engagements via their twitter rather than through the official monarchy page.

The CC is the best place, particularly the print versions, to get the full list of engagements. The twitter is really what the royal wishes to put out while the CC is the monarch's approved listing.
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