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Not sure where to put this as I'm not sure the original thread is appropriate so moderator's please move as you see fit.

In the Duchess of Cambridge thread it was mentioned that the bells of Westminster Abbey were rung to celebrate her birthday but the Duchess of Cornwall's birthday was not similarly celebrated.

I e-mailed the Abbey to see if this was a typographical error and received the following response:

Dear Ms
We are, in fact in the process of reviewing our ringing days and we will shall ring to mark the birthday of HRH The Duchess of Cornwall.
Duncan Jeffery
Head of Communications
Westminster Abbey
 
Very nice to know and it's good that they will include the Duchess of Cornwall's birthday.
 
Nice! Thanks for doing that, and it's good to see they're addressing it.
 
I can imagine why they are. The only ones they ring for now are those either directly in the succession or those who are a parent of one in the succession. I sense the hand of Charles here....
 
I can imagine why they are. The only ones they ring for now are those either directly in the succession or those who are a parent of one in the succession. I sense the hand of Charles here....

and why not? She's his wife, he is loyal and she is going to be his Queen.
 
According to the list posted in Catherine's thread they ring the bell for the monarch and her spouse, their children, and the direct line of succession (I can't remember if George is included, but William is).

Catherine's inclusion can be for one of two reasons - she provided genetic material to someone in the direct line, or she's married to someone in the direct line. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a combination of the two.

Camilla's previous exclusion ignores the fact that she is married to the heir to the throne and has been for almost nine years now. She is going to be the next monarch's consort, and deserves to be recognized as such, even if she didn't contribute genetic material to the next generation.

Camilla won't be the first consort to not give birth to the monarch's heir apparent. There's no reason to deny her something granted to the DoE and Catherine simply on those grounds.
 
I can imagine why they are. The only ones they ring for now are those either directly in the succession or those who are a parent of one in the succession. I sense the hand of Charles here....

What an odd statement. Why wouldn't they ring bells for Camilla if they do for Catherine? Camilla is the next Queen Consort not Catherine no matter what she is called.

It doesn't take Charles or anyone else to get involved just realisation by the Abbey's staff that this is what is appropriate.
 
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Camilla is the next Queen Consort, not Queen Regent (although there is a huge debate on whether she'll be Queen Consort or Princess Consort that doesn't need to be delved into in this thread).
 
Camilla is the next Queen Consort, not Queen Regent (although there is a huge debate on whether she'll be Queen Consort or Princess Consort that doesn't need to be delved into in this thread).

Sorry, of course I know that. It was a typo on my part and has been fixed up.
 
That's only right. The Duchess of Cornwall is a great asset to the Royal Family, and she deserves all recognition.

No matter what, she'll be the consort of the next Monarch, people liking it or not. The Duchess of Cambridge has gave birth to the future King, yes, but the Duchess of Cornwall is years ahead of her (step-)daughter-in-law in terms of service to the country and the Commonwealth.
 
VictoriaB, well done that you contacted the Abbey and I'm glad that they got back to you with that answer. I don't think there should be any question that Camilla, as wife of the next monarch, should be included in the birthday salute.
 
It's possible that the Abbey's officials missed Camilla's birthday by mistake. I'm sure they already know her status and importance within the Monarchy but probably missed adding her birthday in the ringing schedule.

The Duchesses of Cornwall & Cambridge are second and third ladies of the land and I think it's important that they are honored appropriately.
 
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It's possible that the Abbey's officials missed Camilla's birthday by mistake. I'm sure they already know her status and importance within the Monarchy but probably missed adding her birthday in the ringing schedule.

The Duchesses of Cornwall & Cambridge are second and third ladies of the land and I think it's important that they are honored appropriately.

If you read the first post, you will see that VictoriaB wrote to see if there was a typographical error and the response indicates that there wasn't.
 
If you read the first post, you will see that VictoriaB wrote to see if there was a typographical error and the response indicates that there wasn't.

Well, I think it's a shame that they didn't add Camilla's birthday in the bell ringing schedule in the first place. The officials must've overlooked something in the past review.
 
According to the list posted in Catherine's thread they ring the bell for the monarch and her spouse, their children, and the direct line of succession (I can't remember if George is included, but William is).

From that list, it doesn't look like the bells rang for Diana's birthday. This could be something new. If it is new and the bells ring for Catherine, they should ring for Camilla.
 
From that list, it doesn't look like the bells rang for Diana's birthday. This could be something new. If it is new and the bells ring for Catherine, they should ring for Camilla.

why would Diana be on that list?
 
why would Diana be on that list?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Apparently the bells didn't ring on Catherine's birthday last year. If the reason the bells were rung for Catherine is because Catherine gave birth to the future King, the bells should have rang for Diana when she was alive. If the bells never rang for Diana, then it is obvious ringing the bells for Catherine is the start of a new tradition.
 
If I'm correct, that's the first time the bells rang for The Duchess of Cambridge, so I think is rather obvious why the bells never rang for The Duchess of Cornwall before: this is the first years of bells ranging for the future Queens and The of Cornwall's birthday is only in July, while The Duchess of Cambridge's is in January.

But maybe I'm wrong.
 
According to the list posted in Catherine's thread they ring the bell for the monarch and her spouse, their children, and the direct line of succession (I can't remember if George is included, but William is).

Catherine's inclusion can be for one of two reasons - she provided genetic material to someone in the direct line, or she's married to someone in the direct line. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a combination of the two.

Camilla's previous exclusion ignores the fact that she is married to the heir to the throne and has been for almost nine years now. She is going to be the next monarch's consort, and deserves to be recognized as such, even if she didn't contribute genetic material to the next generation.

Camilla won't be the first consort to not give birth to the monarch's heir apparent. There's no reason to deny her something granted to the DoE and Catherine simply on those grounds.

They ring for DoE because he is the spouse of the sovereign and the parent of the heir. Should Charles out live his mother and become king, then it would be traditionally appropriate to ring them for Camilla. At the moment she is NOT the spouse of the monarch, only the spouse of the heir, and will never be a parent of the heir. That would be the difference IMO. It has nothing to do with how many anniversaries they have celebrated.
 
If I'm correct, that's the first time the bells rang for The Duchess of Cambridge, so I think is rather obvious why the bells never rang for The Duchess of Cornwall before: this is the first years of bells ranging for the future Queens and The of Cornwall's birthday is only in July, while The Duchess of Cambridge's is in January.

But maybe I'm wrong.

They ring when a member of the RF is EITHER the monarch, the heir, the spouse of the monarch or the mother of an heir. They wouldn't have rung for Catherine last January because she hadn't given birth to George.

Do bells get rung for spouses of any member of the royal family? If not, then I understand why Camilla has not been included.
 
General News and Information on Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall

They ring for DoE because he is the spouse of the sovereign and the parent of the heir. Should Charles out live his mother and become king, then it would be traditionally appropriate to ring them for Camilla. At the moment she is NOT the spouse of the monarch, only the spouse of the heir, and will never be a parent of the heir. That would be the difference IMO. It has nothing to do with how many anniversaries they have celebrated.



Catherine is not the parent of the heir either - she is the parent of the heir's heir's heir.

Personally i think it would be simpler to ring for the monarch, the monarch's spouse, any living Queen or Prince Consort (the position not the title) and the monarch's children only but if they're going down the track of spouses then if Catherine's in so should Camilla be. Who they ring for should be based on rank not parenting status.
 
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^ When did Camilla get named the heir's heir's heir?
 
Who they ring for should be based on rank not parenting status.

I agree. The Duchess of Cornwall is the second most important lady in the land. I suppose she is the fourth most important person in the country (?).
 
I agree. The Duchess of Cornwall is the second most important lady in the land. I suppose she is the fourth most important person in the country (?).

I think you're confusing important, with royal.

Catherine is not the parent of the heir either - she is the parent of the heir's heir's heir.

Personally i think it would be simpler to ring for the monarch, the monarch's spouse, any living Queen or Prince Consort (the position not the title) and the monarch's children only but if they're going down the track of spouses then if Catherine's in so should Camilla be. Who they ring for should be based on rank not parenting status.

Not but she's the mother of the future heir which by WA's standards allows her to have bells rung. Like Ish said, in crude terms, she has provided genetic material to a future monarch. That's the only reason I can see for including Catherine and not Camilla.
I agree that it should be Monarch, Spouse and the heir, and that's it.



^ When did Camilla get named the heir's heir's heir?

She hasn't, VictoriaB never mentioned anything like that.
 
That doesn't mean they're important, that's just an order for seating arrangements and when to walk in. Sorry. :ROFLMAO:

That's okay. We have different points of view. In my opinion, the order of precedence can be seen as an order of importance.

May we agree to disagree?:flowers:
 
But we are told that while they rang for Catherine, they did not ring the bells for Diana and she was the mother of the heir's heir. So they rang for Catherine, who is the mother of the heir's, heir's, heir but not the heir's heir. Confused? Don't blame you! :ermm:

Perhaps they will clarify. :D
 
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I think you're confusing important, with royal.



Not but she's the mother of the future heir which by WA's standards allows her to have bells rung. Like Ish said, in crude terms, she has provided genetic material to a future monarch. That's the only reason I can see for including Catherine and not Camilla.
I agree that it should be Monarch, Spouse and the heir, and that's it.





She hasn't, VictoriaB never mentioned anything like that.
She edited the post. I didnt quote it at the time just used the up^. then she edited it.
 
Scooter, I think VictoriaB's original mention of Camilla was meant to be a start into a new paragraph that got mostly deleted - not an attempt to call her the heir's heir's heir.

I just looked at the site, and Camilla's birthday has been added.

As for Diana's birthday, has the Abbey said that they didn't previously ring for her birthday (between either her marriage or the birth of William and her divorce or separation)? Can anyone remember if 18 years ago they rang the bells for Diana's birthday? Or even longer? The list that has been provided is for the 2014 ringing days - Diana's birthday is off the table at this point.
 
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