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Old 11-28-2012, 11:48 AM
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Well, at the time, there was no question The Princess Elizabeth was going to be the future Sovereign, given the age of The Queen Mother. Otherwise, the question would never have been discussed if there was any chance of a son being born to displace her in the line of succession.

It could certainly be done if a future Sovereign chose to allow it. But the real question is whether an heiress will automatically become The Duchess of Cornwall as the eldest child and heir of The Sovereign, along with automatic access to the Duchy's income.
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I guess that's changeable as well, in fact could well be that is has to be changed as the duchy is meant to support the heir apparent - was there ever an heir apparent who did not receive the income form the Duchy?
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I guess that's changeable as well, in fact could well be that is has to be changed as the duchy is meant to support the heir apparent - was there ever an heir apparent who did not receive the income form the Duchy?
If there is no Duke of Cornwall (an eldest son and heir), the income from the Duchy accrues to The Sovereign. When The Princess Elizabeth began carrying out public duties, it was agreed part of The Duchy's income would be used to cover her expenses as heiress presumptive.

I assume this decision is one within The Sovereign's perogative, but legally the Duchy belongs to The Duke of Cornwall alone, so I'm not sure if the decision is one that requires consent from the Government.
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...was there ever an heir apparent who did not receive the income form the Duchy?
George III.

He was heir apparent to his grandfather George II after the death of his own father (who had been Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Edinburgh). George III inherited the Edinburgh title directly from his father and then his grandfather created him Prince of Wales but he was never Duke of Cornwall and he was reliant on his grandfather, and parliament, for an income until his own accession.
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That's interesting since The Sovereign still controlled the Crown Estate during George II's reign, although I think he was nearly broke from trying to support the Government, which is why his successor, George III, surrendered the revenues in return for the Civil List from Parliament.
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Parliament still voted some allowances to the young George to give him the independence he would automatically have received from the Duchy. The Duchy creation says that the income goes to The Crown (and after the Glorious Revolution that meant the government) if there is no Duke. George II also gave him some extra income as well but he didn't have the same amount as his father had (and inflation was also reducing what it was worth anyway).
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If there is no Duke of Cornwall (an eldest son and heir), the income from the Duchy accrues to The Sovereign. When The Princess Elizabeth began carrying out public duties, it was agreed part of The Duchy's income would be used to cover her expenses as heiress presumptive.

I assume this decision is one within The Sovereign's perogative, but legally the Duchy belongs to The Duke of Cornwall alone, so I'm not sure if the decision is one that requires consent from the Government.
But what would happen if Letters patent for the Cornwall title is not changed in the following scenario. William and Catherine have as first child a daughter and as second a son. The son would become Duke of cornwall as oldest son of the monarch. But what happen when his sister becomes monarch and has a son as oldest child. Who would then be the Duke of Cornwall? The oldest son of the present or of the deceased monarch. Actully o think it should be the son of the present monarch but then they would have to take it away from his uncle.
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If Equal Primogeniture is passed, but the Letters Patent for the Cornwall stand as is, then the son will never be Duke of Cornwall. The Letters Patent stipulate that the Duke of Cornwall be the eldest son of the monarch AND the heir apparent. With Equal Primogeniture, a first-born daughter would be the heir apparent.
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As Excalibur pointed out, the Duke of Cornwall can only be the eldest son of the Monarch who is also Heir Apparent to the Throne.

Assuming William's son is born during his reign and Equal Primogeniture is not passed, then he will indeed become Duke of Cornwall, regardless of an existence of an elder sister. If, at some point, Equal Primogeniture is adopted, then the boy will automatically cease to be Heir Apparent to the Throne and, as a consequence, the Duke of Cornwall. The title will then be vacant (since, as things are now, females cannot be Dukes/Duchesses of Cornwall in their own right) but, in all probability, the Heiress Apparent will receive income from the Duchy to cover her official expenses.
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The Sovereign Grant Act passed by Parliament in 2011 includes a provision in which the income from the Duchy of Cornwall will be paid to the heir apparent automatically.

That means if Charles died before The Queen, even though William could not become The Duke of Cornwall, he would be paid the income from the Duchy. The same thing would apply if the future heir is female.
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That's not entirely accurate.

The Sovereign Grant Act states that, where the Duchy of Cornwall is vested in Her Majesty, the Treasury is to pay a grant to any person who is the heir to the throne in the relevant period. That is really no different to the provisions made for previous heirs to the Throne who were not Dukes of Cornwall. However, nowhere does it say that the entire income of the Duchy will be automatically paid to the heir, if not the current Duke of Cornwall.

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Prince Charles reported to the revenue over 'well entrenched tax avoidance scheme' on £18m earnings | Mail Online
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And when they find that everything is aboveboard , and that Charles and the Duchy pay more than their fair share of tax (A tax he voluntarily offered to pay), Republic looks like a bunch of mugs.

This is how sad and pathetic the 'republican movement' is in Britain.
Grasping and straws come to mind.

Typical gruel from the "The People's Paper" - The Guardian. A rag that lost 44 millions pounds last year and has to rely on the BBC and Labour party to buy bulk subscriptions to keep it a float.
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The Duchy doesn't pay corporations tax because it pays income tax no the income. To pay corporations tax would be to tax the same money twice - according to the Duchy website Duchy of Cornwall - Management and Finances - The Official Website for the Duchy of Cornwall
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Prince Charles paid £1m a year to support Prince William and Harry in official duties | Royal | News | Daily Express

PRINCE Charles is paying £1 million a year to support his sons and the Duchess of Cambridge in their official duties, it emerged today.

But the heir to the throne may struggle to foot the growing bill if Prince William, Kate, and Prince Harry end up taking on much more royal work as the Queen and Prince Philip slow down. That may come to a head if William decides in September to quit his job as an RAF search and rescue helicopter pilot and become a fulltime working royal. "Whatever the Duke of Cambridge's plans, the Prince of Wales would have to look carefully at how he continues to fund the official activities of the staff and support for the five senior members of the Royal Family whom he is paying for," said Mr Nye.

At the moment, Buckingham Palace receives the bulk of £36 million in taxpayer funding for the Royal Family but Charles pays for much of the work involving himself, Camilla, William, Kate and Harry, who are increasingly becoming the focus of the future of the monarchy. Charles, 64, pays for them from the income he receives from his hereditary landed estate, the Duchy of Cornwall, which owns 131,000 acres in 24 counties, mostly in south-west England but also in London.

Figures published yesterday showed he received a record £19 million in profits from the Duchy in the year to the end of March, up 4% on last year.

Charles, who paid £4.4 million in tax after deducting expenses, spent 67 per cent of the remainder on official and charitable duties. His 17 charities raised £139 million in the year. Royal sources confirmed that the £1 million he pays for William, Kate and Harry - mainly to fund their St James's Palace office and travel by car on official duties in Britain - is part of a figure of £2.1 million described as other expenditure in the accounts. William, Kate and Harry also receive financial support from Charles to fund their private lives. The cost of Kate's dresses are thought to be included in Charles's £2.4 million private expenditure but the figure is not detailed in the accounts.
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Prince Charles' public funding costs drop by half | Royal | News | Daily Express

OFFICIAL accounts have revealed that public funding for Prince Charles has fallen by almost half, falling from £2.2m to £1.2m in a year.

The dramatic fall has been largely due to foreign countries footing the bill for any overseas visits, which worked out at over 58,000 miles of travellingto and from official engagements. "In 2012-13, the Prince of Wales undertook a total of 657 official engagements, of which 154 were overseas, and the Duchess of Cornwall undertook 277 engagements, of which 122 were overseas," the prince's annual report said.

It was also revealed that the Prince's private income from the Duchy of Cornwall - the landed estate given to the heir to the throne to provide him or her with an income - went up by 4% to just over £19m but official have said that more than half of his after-tax income is spent on official and charitable duties. The Prince allocated £11m to "official expenditure" and £2.5m to "non-official expenditure", while also paying £4.4m in tax.
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William, Kate, Harry, Camilla....who is the 5th he is supporting?
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William, Kate, Harry, Camilla....who is the 5th he is supporting?
....um .... himself.
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William, Kate, Harry, Camilla....who is the 5th he is supporting?
Himself? That would be my guess.
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