Diana/Charles/Camilla's Relationships Part2

[Warren]

Welcome to the Diana/Charles/Camilla's Relationships Thread Part 2


Part 1 can be found here:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...hips-5642.html

[Lady Marmalade]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...861956,00.html

Very interesting article...

[tiaraprin]

Excellent article Lady Marmalade!! Spot on!! Diana lives on. . . .:)

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

Excellent article Lady Marmalade!! Spot on!! Diana lives on. . . .:)

I am certain they don't want to follow in Diana's footsteps and have affairs and divorce in their families. It will be interesting to see how it turns out for them all. They have married for love but even that can change. Getting married and having children does not guarantee a 'happy ever after'.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

I am certain they don't want to follow in Diana's footsteps and have affairs and divorce in their families. It will be interesting to see how it turns out for them all. They have married for love but even that can change. Getting married and having children does not guarantee a 'happy ever after'.

Equally they don't wish to follow in Charles' and Camilla's footsteps. A great deal there not to emulate either.

[BeatrixFan]

For Goodness Sake. Maybe they want their own lives and don't want to follow in either parents foot steps? Does nobody think of them as William and Harry the individuals? They are not extensions of Diana nor are they miniatures of Charles. They are young men who will build their own lives and their own personalities so anyone hoping that they are going to be photocopies of their parents should come to terms with that and stop the endless comparison.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

Equally they don't wish to follow in Charles' and Camilla's footsteps. A great deal there not to emulate either.

The comparison you were making was with Diana, saying her marriage into royalty had opened the way for other 'commoner' wives. I was trying to point out that it was not such a good example, if you consider how it all ended!
I hope they do follow in Charles and Camilla's footsteps, they have been in love for 35 years.:)

[Incas]

9 November 2005
CAMILLA RULES!
Polly Hudson on ITV1's new Royal drama

WHEN I woke yesterday morning I had no strong feelings either way about Camilla Parker Bowles, or the Duchess of Doodah, or whatever we're supposed to call her nowadays.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...name_page.html

[ysbel]

It will be interesting to see how the new crown princesses will turn out.

They seem to have learned the lesson that there must be love but they haven't learned the lesson that the girl must also be a good fit for a life in a monarchy. I think some of the royal families are taking chances with recent marriages here. Only time will tell how it will turn out.

Diana was not a good fit within the royal family and the institution of the British monarchy. If she had been able to work more effectively within the confines of the monarchy, she may have had a better chance of getting Camilla away from Charles.

Did they need love to succeed? Not a burning passionate love but definitely affection and respect.

People marry because they want to share their life with someone else. I don't think I'm the only one who has loved someone but not married him because I couldn't imagine living with him.

Charles and Diana had such different expectations of married life it was hard for them to create a life together that would satisfy both of them. The more different the background between the crown prince and his new crown princess the more likely their expectations of what a marriage entails will differ from each other.

So I think they have mitigated one risk and increased the other risk.

[Incas]

I would add another major difference between QM's marriage and Diana's was the role of the press. As Duchess of York, she was very popular and often photographed. However, the press during her time, and for the most part throughout her life, was very flattering to the point of obsequiousness. While the press was eager to place nice with Diana more often than not, they did turn hostile at times against her. Regardless of Diana's role in the change, the attitude of the press, both established and freelance, toward royals were quite different.

[BeatrixFan]

They sure were no help to Diana in her lifetime.

Thats true. Diana was having many affairs herself. So don't forget that. Blame doesn't lie solely with Charles or Camilla. It also lies with Diana, Hewitt, The Queen etc etc.

[Queen Mary I]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Thats true. Diana was having many affairs herself. So don't forget that. Blame doesn't lie solely with Charles or Camilla. It also lies with Diana, Hewitt, The Queen etc etc.

I never said Diana was a saint. She responded in the wrong way to a philandering husband and a mistress who did not respect the late Princess Of Wale's marriage even before it began. Diana should have sought a divorce right away or better yet an annulment (at least a civil annulment-I don't think those are possible in the C of E-like in the C of R).

My sister did the same thing as Diana in response to a cheating husband-which is one reason this is such a sore point for me. Adultery causes so much pain, and heartache for all involved. :( It is like my sister said about 'the other woman'. 'What did I ever do to her that she would do this to me? I didn't even know her'. The same could be said in regards to Diana and Camilla. Camilla threw the first punch in my estimation. Along with Charles. Diana did not know how to fight back. Her own parents had a horrible marriage record. :(

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Queen Mary I

I never said Diana was a saint. She responded in the wrong way to a philandering husband and a mistress who did not respect the late Princess Of Wale's marriage even before it began. Diana should have sought a divorce right away or better yet an annulment (at least a civil annulment-I don't think those are possible in the C of E-like in the C of R).

My sister did the same thing as Diana in response to a cheating husband-which is one reason this is such a sore point for me. Adultery causes so much pain, and heartache for all involved. :( It is like my sister said about 'the other woman'. 'What did I ever do to her that she would do this to me? I didn't even know her'. The same could be said in regards to Diana and Camilla. Camilla threw the first punch in my estimation. Along with Charles. Diana did not know how to fight back. Her own parents had a horrible marriage record. :(

Hi Queen Mary I,

I had wondered where you had gone to. :) Glad to see you back. Now I can understand a little since this happened to your sister. I hope she was able to overcome the hurt and build her life again. If its any consolation (and maybe its not) but I think the hurt that your sister felt came from her husband and not the other woman. Sadly, if a man is willing to have an affair that is strong enough to break up his marriage, he will eventually find someone who will go along with him.

I've seen marriages fall all around me due to adultery and other things. Its not a good time to be living in if you want to be happily married and I keep my fingers crossed.

I think there are two types of affairs; affairs that appear when the marriage is going strong and wreak it and then there are affairs when the marriage is troubled and you reach out to someone else. The affairs in Charles and Diana's case were the latter type, in my opinion.

The marriage was already in trouble before William was born and I don't think it was because Charles had Camilla already in his pocket. I don't think he did. Diana had tremendous trouble in her first year of marriage; the publicity, getting pregnant at 20 and suffering post-partum depression bringing on the eating disorder that she had suffered as a teenager and being married to a family who didn't know what to do when she went into her crying fits. Charles did ask his friends what to do about Diana and IMHO when he asked Camilla he was asking for trouble because they had had a relationship in the past.

Was it a mistake? Yes, it was. And you are right, Charles and Diana should have gotten a divorce in the beginning; then they would have been able to put their lives together much sooner. However, I think the protocol in the Royal Family worked against them; disastrously for their own personal happiness.

[una]

Originally Posted by Queen Mary I

... a mistress who did not respect the late Princess Of Wale's marriage even before it began.(

I'm not sure this is true. Camilla told Diana that she had an agreement with Charles not to contact him after the wedding. There is no evidence I know of that she did.

Diana should have sought a divorce right away or better yet an annulment .

Diana should have turned down Charles' proposal of marriage since she knew about Camilla before the proposal. She went into the marriage with her eyes open. But she may have believed Charles when he told her he would be faithful in the marriage, or she may have thought she could "see off" Camilla. In any event, she was too caught up in her Princess fantasy to give it up, IMO.

I'm sorry about your sister, but the cases are not alike-- Diana had serious mental health problems, and IMO, Camilla had little to do with the failure of the marriage. By the time Charles went back to Camilla, the marriage was over in all but name.

[WillowDawn]

Originally Posted by Queen Mary I

I never said Diana was a saint. She responded in the wrong way to a philandering husband and a mistress who did not respect the late Princess Of Wale's marriage even before it began. Diana should have sought a divorce right away or better yet an annulment (at least a civil annulment-I don't think those are possible in the C of E-like in the C of R).

My sister did the same thing as Diana in response to a cheating husband-which is one reason this is such a sore point for me. Adultery causes so much pain, and heartache for all involved. :( It is like my sister said about 'the other woman'. 'What did I ever do to her that she would do this to me? I didn't even know her'. The same could be said in regards to Diana and Camilla. Camilla threw the first punch in my estimation. Along with Charles. Diana did not know how to fight back. Her own parents had a horrible marriage record. :(

I feel the same way you do about this whole thing as well. In MY book, you don't mess with a married man or woman, that is sacred ground.
Wouldn't it be ironic to see Charles find a much younger and prettier woman and cheat on Camilla??? Afterall, history does eventually repeat itself, and they do say what comes around eventually goes around.
Camilla and Charles both started the whole thing first, although all of them were all guilty. Tit for Tat never works for anyones benefit.
Camilla was just trying to take after her great great grandmother Alice Kepple, and obviously thought that being a mistress was
totally ok and accepted by everyone.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by WillowDawn

I feel the same way you do about this whole thing as well. In MY book, you don't mess with a married man or woman, that is sacred ground.
Wouldn't it be ironic to see Charles find a much younger and prettier woman and cheat on Camilla??? Afterall, history does eventually repeat itself, and they do say what comes around eventually goes around.
Camilla and Charles both started the whole thing first, although all of them were all guilty. Tit for Tat never works for anyones benefit.
Camilla was just trying to take after her great great grandmother Alice Kepple, and obviously thought that being a mistress was
totally ok and accepted by everyone.

They both had affairs and both admitted that it was after they realised that the marriage was over, are you suggesting that they both lied?

Charles seems to go for a woman he can hold a conversation with and who really shares the same interests, rather than a pretty younger type. I should think he would say, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

How do you know what Camilla thought about being a mistress? Are you suggesting that Camilla never loved Charles and only wanted the notoriety of being a mistress, to the husband of woman who was hugely popular but, privately could IMO be very vindictive? That knowing all this, she did it for a laugh?

[corazon]

Originally Posted by WillowDawn

I feel the same way you do about this whole thing as well. In MY book, you don't mess with a married man or woman, that is sacred ground.
Wouldn't it be ironic to see Charles find a much younger and prettier woman and cheat on Camilla??? Afterall, history does eventually repeat itself, and they do say what comes around eventually goes around.
Camilla and Charles both started the whole thing first, although all of them were all guilty. Tit for Tat never works for anyones benefit.
Camilla was just trying to take after her great great grandmother Alice Kepple, and obviously thought that being a mistress was
totally ok and accepted by everyone.

exactly! was more easy be a mistress that be a royal wife.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by corazon

exactly! was more easy be a mistress that be a royal wife.

I am curious, how on earth would any of us know. I think it would have been much harder not being with the man you love. Knowing the terrible time he was having and being unable to help him.
Why would it be easier, in your opinion?

[Ennyllorac]

I wonder how long people can continue talking about the relationship between these 3 individuals? It's not like new information is out there. I really don't think blame falls on one individual. I think all three parties had their faults and their blame in what happened.

[Queen Mary I]

Originally Posted by Ennyllorac

I wonder how long people can continue talking about the relationship between these 3 individuals? It's not like new information is out there. I really don't think blame falls on one individual. I think all three parties had their faults and their blame in what happened.

Posterity will be talking about it for centuries to come. Especially because at the end of the non-fairytale Diana died violently, and 'mysteriously' as far as some are concerned. The 'second car' and all that. Like the Mary, Queen Of Scots, Lord Darnley murder scandal. Or Elizabeth I and her 'Robin' and his wife Anne who was found dead at the bottom of some stairs. This love triangle will have no end.