Diana/Charles/Camilla's Relationships Part2

[una]

Originally Posted by ysbel

Although I am sickened by all her associates that are selling books about her private life, I know exactly what their reasoning is. If she was willing to open the details of her private life... then they feel perfectly justified releasing her private details to satisfy their own agendas.

But don't you think this would have happened anyway? Imagine if she had said nothing, and we were all surprised to hear John Major announcing the separation, then 3 years of no comment, then the divorce and her death. People would be speculating like mad, and the book writers would be writing their books anyway. I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm glad they're writing their accounts of her- she's fascinating, and each different view of her from people who knew her as a child or adult adds to the interest. IMO she wouldn't mind all this coming out, she wasn't a private person, and may even have been pleased to know people were still paying her attention- that she was still "a star".

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by una

But don't you think this would have happened anyway?

To a certain extent, yes, but we know far less about C&C's affair than we know of Diana's doings. IMHO its because C&C didn't really say anything past one comment in the BBC interview and their friends for the most part followed their lead. Diana's friends followed her lead and released everything.

Originally Posted by una

IMO she wouldn't mind all this coming out, she wasn't a private person, and may even have been pleased to know people were still paying her attention- that she was still "a star".

I don't know about that. Some of the attention she didn't mind, but she definitely minded James Hewitt's first book release. I also think-and this is just speculation based on their personalities-that if she had lived, she would have had problems with William regarding her fame once he became an adult. William definitely doesn't like attention, yet anytime he was around her he was subjected to intense observation and speculation by the press. Her fame already caused a rift between her and her brother whom she was once very close to because he refused to let her come to his house to escape the press.

I don't think very highly of Charles Spencer but for once I cannot fault him for this. He had his own wife and children to think of and he had to take into account how the inevitable press presence at Althorp would have affected his own family. I'm sure it hurt Diana terribly as she would definitely be hurt if William distanced himself in any way from her to escape the scrutiny. But with her fame and the notoriety about her private life, my belief is that it would have been inevitable.

That's why I think she would have regretted releasing her private details.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by ysbel

To a certain extent, yes, but we know far less about C&C's affair than we know of Diana's doings. IMHO its because C&C didn't really say anything past one comment in the BBC interview and their friends for the most part followed their lead. Diana's friends followed her lead and released everything.

Very well put Ysbel.

[una]

Originally Posted by ysbel

... we know far less about C&C's affair than we know of Diana's doings. IMHO its because C&C didn't really say anything past one comment in the BBC interview and their friends for the most part followed their lead. Diana's friends followed her lead and released everything.

Charles and friends said quite a lot about the marriage in the Dimbleby book, but in a more sympathetic style. Also let's not forget that Charles' friends didn't need the money like Diana's friends.

Originally Posted by ysbel

... she definitely minded James Hewitt's first book release.

I don't think she minded about Hewitt telling his story, but didn't like the style of the book which was fantasizing, sensational and not very flattering. According to Hewitt she asked him to speak to the press at one point.

Originally Posted by ysbel

she would definitely be hurt if William distanced himself in any way from her to escape the scrutiny. But with her fame and the notoriety about her private life, my belief is that it would have been inevitable

But even if she hadn't said anything about her past private life, her present private life would have come out in the press with much the same embarrassing result for William.

[branchg]

I doubt there is anything new to learn about Diana's thoughts. She cooperated with many writers and journalists over the years and is practically an industry in the number of books written about her life. I think people are done with that.

It's time to let the Princess rest in peace. Life is for the living.

[Zonk]

Ysbel..I totally agree. I think there is a saying...once you let the genie out of the box..its hard to get her back in. And that totally applies in Diana's case. Its also frutrating for the so called "Diana experts" (i.e Paul Burrell, the faith healer, the lovers, etc) to talk about events they don't have intimate knowledge of. For example, Oliver Hoare...has he ever written a book? Yet, many claim to know every detail about his relationship with her. Either way, I think its shabby to write about someone who is dead and cant defend themselves. And I say this just not because of Diana but because of JFK, RFK, Marilyn Monroe, etc. Who continously sell 20, 30, 40 years after their deaths.

[ysbel]

tiaraprin, where have you been? You've missed a lot. :)

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by ysbel

tiaraprin, where have you been? You've missed a lot. :)

My computer needed to be fixed. I am sure however, that many did not miss me

[BeatrixFan]

Exactly Skydragon. Although Diana may be the talk of the town now, she'll be recorded in the footnotes of history as an ex-wife of a future King whereas Charles and Camilla will be recorded as a King and Queen - and thats the measure of it.

[ysbel]

Time will tell what Diana's place in history will be. Its too soon now.

[BeatrixFan]

Is it? I don't think it is at all. Diana is in a similar position Anne Boleyn. A dead ex-wife of a King. We remember Anne Boleyn, but she's hardly up there with the great British legends is she? When it comes to the list of monarchs, Diana won't even get a mention and nor will Camilla - Charles will be the one history will remember and thats how it should be.

[una]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

We remember Anne Boleyn, but she's hardly up there with the great British legends is she?

Oh I think she is- the great British legendary quadrangle of Henry VIII, Queen Katherine, Anne Boleyn and the Pope. People are still writing books about her.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by una

Oh I think she is

She could hardly be called a legend, most 15-16 year olds have very little idea who she was, except that she was the mother of William and Harry. Most don't even know she was the ex wife of Prince Charles.
When asked about the prince's wife, they all say Camilla, some say 'my mum says she's not as pretty as his 1st wife'. In this day and age of extended families it is nothing to get too excited about.
When it all gets written about, after Charles is crowned King, Diana will only be seen as a very bitter ex wife, who tried to use the public in her efforts to discredit the husband who tried but, was unable to cope with a very disturbed woman.

[BeatrixFan]

Yes but people now don't scream in defence of Queen Katherine do they? Calling Anne Boleyn nasty names and putting Katherine's image on ceramics? They may have hailed her as a saint in her time, but the passion wears off and it will do with Charles, Camilla and Diana. And remember, Anne was a Queen - Diana wasn't. I think you get the gist of what I'm saying - People are already resigning her to the past - not everyone, but most people are. it's only the Biography Channel and Paul Burrell keeping her fresh in the media.

[una]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Yes but people now don't scream in defence of Queen Katherine do they? Calling Anne Boleyn nasty names and putting Katherine's image on ceramics? They may have hailed her as a saint in her time, but the passion wears off ...

Maybe, but it lies close under the surface, and that passion could be whipped up again (probably on both sides). You underestimate the power of these stories that resonate with our lives, they become myths, they don't go away. As for her not being Queen, neither was that timeless icon Lady Godiva-- can't you just see Diana riding naked through the streets, the crowds cheering, to force her husband to lower taxes ( so to speak).

[BeatrixFan]

I believe that she left those interview tapes to be shown. She wasn't that naive. She apparantly knew that she was going to die (I don't believe in a conspiracy theory but hear me out). If she knew she was going to be killed then wouldn't she want to leave her mark? And she did. By recording a series of interviews that she knew would be aired at some point, she could say what she liked and feel no come back. The only one they could hurt would be Charles - unfortunately, she didn't seem to realise that it would hurt her sons too.

[BeatrixFan]

And Camilla is not flawed?? The flaws are endless!

Aren't we all flawed in some way? I didn't realise Diana was born of the second immaculate conception.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Aren't we all flawed in some way? I didn't realise Diana was born of the second immaculate conception.

Diana had flaws just like everyone else. At least she tried to have an honest marriage before she sinned. Camilla just wanted to be Alice Keppel all over again.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

Diana had flaws just like everyone else. At least she tried to have an honest marriage before she sinned. .

Only in your opinion did she try to have an honest marriage.

How do you know that she didn't marry Charles to give her the freedom to bed as many men as possible, thinking that she would not be divorced, after all the royals wouldn't want the scandal!

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

Only in your opinion did she try to have an honest marriage.

How do you know that she didn't marry Charles to give her the freedom to bed as many men as possible, thinking that she would not be divorced, after all the royals wouldn't want the scandal!

There are many more royals who did much worse than Diana in the sleep around ideal. Princess Margaret and Prince Philip are just two examples. Gee, with the protection of being born a royal, they still got the protection of the Royal fold for their many, many indiscretions. It is ok for them but not for Diana. It is not ok for anybody.