Diana/Charles/Camilla's Relationships Part2

[Princejohnny25]

It is not a love triangle. More like a hexagon with Chaz and Milla and Diana and all her lovers. Grow up people. The marriage failed. She died tragically. It is written and history and needs to be left in the past.

[Queen Mary I]

Originally Posted by Princejonnhy25

It is not a love triangle. More like a hexagon with Chaz and Milla and Diana and all her lovers. Grow up people. The marriage failed. She died tragically. It is written and history and needs to be left in the past.

Charles and Milla sowed their wild oats young. It does not make them better than Diana.

Anyone who thinks it will be left in the past is dreaming. This 'hexagon' as you prefer to call it will have books written about it long after we are gone. That's just the facts. If historians were more 'grown up' they wouldn't have written about Mary, Queen Of Scots affairs, Elizabeth I's and so on. It's human nature to hash over historical figures and their romantic messes. Diana is part of British history now. Get used to it folks.

[RoseMary]

Diana did cheat as well that is true. The entire marriage was a disaster. Charles never really loved Diana and Diana couldn't live with that. She learned very quickly that her idea of what would happen was completely off. Many people are to blame for various reasons, I am not vindicating Diana but she and her sons took most of the emotional toll of what happened.

I think Camilla and Charles belong together and are happy. But I hope that someday Camilla and Charles really realize what they did to themselves, Diana and most importantly Will and Harry. Just saying a prayer of forgiveness in church doesn't cut it if they don't mean it.

[dakodas]

Originally Posted by RoseMary

Diana did cheat as well that is true. The entire marriage was a disaster. Charles never really loved Diana and Diana couldn't live with that. She learned very quickly that her idea of what would happen was completely off. Many people are to blame for various reasons, I am not vindicating Diana but she and her sons took most of the emotional toll of what happened.

I think Camilla and Charles belong together and are happy. But I hope that someday Camilla and Charles really realize what they did to themselves, Diana and most importantly Will and Harry. Just saying a prayer of forgiveness in church doesn't cut it if they don't mean it.

All I have to do is think of the things I believed that men said when I was 19 to be a little more on Diana's side.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by dakodas

All I have to do is think of the things I believed that men said when I was 19 to be a little more on Diana's side.

I was 18 and a year younger than Diana and I certainly didn't believe the hype about the marriage of the century and I didn't know anything about Camilla at the time. It still looked like a disaster waiting to happen.

A lot of 19 year olds do have brains although the way they act its hard for us older folks to believe it sometimes.

[dakodas]

Originally Posted by ysbel

I was 18 and a year younger than Diana and I certainly didn't believe the hype about the marriage of the century and I didn't know anything about Camilla at the time. It still looked like a disaster waiting to happen.

A lot of 19 year olds do have brains although the way they act its hard for us older folks to believe it sometimes.

Mayhap you were a tad more streetwise than those of us who attended Swiss finishing schools.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by RoseMary

The entire marriage was a disaster.

Truer words were never spoken RoseMary.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by RoseMary

Diana did cheat as well that is true. The entire marriage was a disaster. Charles never really loved Diana and Diana couldn't live with that. She learned very quickly that her idea of what would happen was completely off. Many people are to blame for various reasons, I am not vindicating Diana but she and her sons took most of the emotional toll of what happened.

I think Camilla and Charles belong together and are happy. But I hope that someday Camilla and Charles really realize what they did to themselves, Diana and most importantly Will and Harry. Just saying a prayer of forgiveness in church doesn't cut it if they don't mean it.

That was beautifully said! Yes, one prayer everyone recites together during a blessing ceremony is not enough penance for what they did. Diana paid with her life. She paid too much, Charles and Camilla much too little.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

She paid too much, Charles and Camilla much too little.

In the end, Diana paid the price for not having enough security and trusting in Dodi al-Fayed and his staff for her safety that night in Paris. Its terribly unfair I agree but that is the real and only reason she is no longer with us.

[dakodas]

Originally Posted by ysbel

In the end, Diana paid the price for not having enough security and trusting in Dodi al-Fayed and his staff for her safety that night in Paris. Its terribly unfair I agree but that is the real and only reason she is no longer with us.

I agree. We have a tunnel between DC and Virginia that looks very much like the tunnel in Paris. After Thanksgiving dinner this afternoon, our taxi driver was speeding through it while on a very animated conversation on his cell phone. My husband who is NOT interested in "royal" matters remarked on the similarities in way the tunnels looked. An accident easily could have happened even though he was not mixing alcohol and antidepressants (I hope!)

[Warren]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

one prayer everyone recites together during a blessing ceremony is not enough penance for what they did. Diana paid with her life. She paid too much, Charles and Camilla much too little.

So what it comes down to is that Charles and Camilla are responsibile for Diana being smashed up in a Paris car tunnel, and now they have to pay? It's all about revenge?
.

[dakodas]

Originally Posted by Warren

So what it comes down to is that Charles and Camilla are responsibile for Diana being smashed up in a Paris car tunnel, and now they have to pay? It's all about revenge?
.

Yes! Weren't you paying attention?

[Skydragon]

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Originally Posted by RoseMary

Diana did cheat as well that is true. The entire marriage was a disaster. Charles never really loved Diana and Diana couldn't live with that. She learned very quickly that her idea of what would happen was completely off. Many people are to blame for various reasons, I am not vindicating Diana but she and her sons took most of the emotional toll of what happened.

Most of the emotional toll on William and Harry, was brought about by Diana co-writing the Morton book, The emotional toll on Diana must have been hard, trying to keep the public from finding out she had been unfaithful. We don't know that Charles didn't love Diana, perhaps it was more that he couldn't cope with all her emotional problems.

[Lady Marmalade]

I still blame Prince Philip in some of this. I wish there were times the Queen would have put him in his place like Victoria did to Albert.

If he would have let his children make their own decisions...and I am talking about the period in the late 1970's, maybe Charles would have been happily married to someone else..not Camilla or Diana...just married..quiet and happy..

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

I still blame Prince Philip in some of this. I wish there were times the Queen would have put him in his place like Victoria did to Albert.

Well Lady Marmalade, Prince Albert died before his children got married; at least all but one. Prince Philip did his fair share of pushing but then so did a lot of other people. Charles was raised from a child not to make waves; it took him awhile to throw off the conditioning. Some waves are worth making. And I don't mean running off with another woman.

[Elspeth]

Gyles Brandreth was interviewed in Majesty Magazine about his latest book, which is about Charles and Camilla, and he lays the blame for Charles's unrealistic expectations at the door of the Queen Mother, who he said spoiled Charles rotten and gave him the idea that he could live like an Edwardian prince rather than a modern one. The Queen Mother didn't seem averse to the idea of mistresses (at least for other princes) since she was apparently friendly with Lady Furness during her relationship with the Prince of Wales; she seemed to think that adultery was OK as long as people were discreet about it. Between that message and the stuff Charles was getting from Mountbatten - the two people whose opinions he valued more than anyone's during his formative years - it's no wonder that he's stuck uncomfortably between the present and the past.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

The Queen Mother didn't seem averse to the idea of mistresses (at least for other princes) ...; she seemed to think that adultery was OK as long as people were discreet about it. Between that message and the stuff Charles was getting from Mountbatten - the two people whose opinions he valued more than anyone's during his formative years - it's no wonder that he's stuck uncomfortably between the present and the past.

Perhaps this will be Camilla's greatest legacy: in a few years time people may be commenting how she has brought Charles more into "the real world". Having her by his side will give him less need for introspection, and a lot more confidence. Just see how happy and relaxed he appeared during the US Tour with Camilla there to share the experience. She will certainly have an effect and it will be interesting to chart the changes Camilla influences in the demeanour, outlook and confidence of the Prince of Wales.

[Lady Marmalade]

Okay...let's just say it once and for all, we know they are all to blame equally.

Man....Dynasty and Dallas have nothing on these people.

If the Royal Family were a soap, the ratings would have been through the roof in the 80's and 90's.

[Warren]

To paraphrase the ever-elegant Lady Marmalade (compliment returned - we're even), none of us know the mechanics of what happened inside that marriage. None of us knows who did what to whom first; none of us know when Charles turned to Camilla, none of us know when Diana first had an affair. We may pretend we do, but we don't. Everything is based on our and other people's speculation, and a "pay-back" book, interview and leaks from Diana, who would obviously portray herself as the injured party. Maybe she was, but none of us know for certain.

No doubt this saga will be debated endlessly by some, but as time passes it seems pretty pointless to continue poking through the entrails of a dead marriage with a blunt stick. Choose sides, pick favourites, whatever, but surely we can move on instead of interminable rehashing, saying the same thing over and over again. Fresh insights and interpretations and theories are fine, but playing the blame game gets tiresome for those of us who prefer to retain a bit of distance and choose not to get emotionally involved in a marriage which was effectively over almost 20 years ago.

The single most important goal in anybody's life is to "find happiness." Charles and Camilla appear to have done just that. Wishing them doom and gloom will not return Diana from the dead, and vindictiveness and bitterness are not attractive character traits in anyone. Diana died shockingly and tragically at her peak, and she will remain forever an icon. Accept that, and move on.

[Lady Marmalade]

Ennyllorac...for as long as there are people who wore born at the time she was alive.....

I put the blame on the media, that Burrell, Ken what's his name, Hewitt, and a few others.

JUST LET THE WOMAN REST IN PEACE ALREADY!!!!

We can't do what if's anymore. He has married the mistress...move on....I may not like it but I oh well..she's not my stepmother.