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Old 11-16-2005, 01:26 PM
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Then why do you support a woman, who betrayed her husband many times. Who gave no thought to the partners and wives she put through hell by pursuing their men. Who caused her sons such humiliation by publishing a spite based book about their father, grandparents and other relations.

Margaret answered for nothing, she was ill, she had the best possible treatments and died in comfort with her family around her. Where is the punishment in that?

Sinning is merely a concept dreamt up by the church to control the masses.
Take the church out of the concept then. There is right and there is wrong, plain and simple. Diana did wrong, but she should not be bashed more than others who are Royal by birth. Being Royal doesn't erase your wrongdoing. Seems only Her Majesty really seems to grasp that concept.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:27 PM
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The same works in the U.S. Don't assume to always understand our culture based on the constant attention we get in the news.

It is not represent by Sex and the City, Friends, CSI, Law and Order, ER, Lost, Desperate Housewives etc....just examples of American shows shown around the world which may cloud the picture of who we are...
But we are not talking about your royalty, so what would it have to do with the protocols within our upper class?

I can't say I have ever watched any of the programmes you mention.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:30 PM
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But we are not talking about your royalty, so what would it have to do with the protocols within our upper class?

I can't say I have ever watched any of the programmes you mention.
We do not have royalty in our country. Check your facts before you post.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:32 PM
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Take the church out of the concept then. There is right and there is wrong, plain and simple. Diana did wrong, but she should not be bashed more than others who are Royal by birth. Being Royal doesn't erase your wrongdoing. Seems only Her Majesty really seems to grasp that concept.
I see it as wrong that Diana wanted to hang on to a man who didn't love her and whom she didn't love, for whatever reason. That if she was being caused so much pain by Charles and Camilla, why she would knowingly cause that pain to a number of other women and their children.
Princess Margaret and Prince Philip have been discrete, they havn't set out to cause pain or encourage people to take sides.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:33 PM
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We do not have royalty in our country.
Precisely what I mean
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:35 PM
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Princess Margaret and Prince Philip have been discrete, they havn't set out to cause pain or encourage people to take sides.
Discretion still does not excuse what is right and what is wrong. If you are married, you are married. You do not commit adultery.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:36 PM
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Oh my, this conversation has gotten all heated very quickly. I'd like to respond to some things but I've got to run to class. Maybe its better to take a breather? I'd hate to see the thread closed.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:38 PM
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First of all, I was talking respectfully to Sam, and he understood that. Don't get all defensive on here with me and don't start with me either.

I am 32 by the way...just to let you know, so yes I remember very clearly..
Memories of a 13 year old are not likely to be accurate. Threats of 'don't start with me' are hardly friendly overtures are they. You made a point about Sams age, I merely made a point about your youth.
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Precisely what I mean
There is no point. You were wrong, we do not have royalty in the U.S., but we do have a very established upper class of aristocratic and old-money families.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:41 PM
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Memories of a 13 year old are not likely to be accurate. Threats of 'don't start with me' are hardly friendly overtures are they. You made a point about Sams age, I merely made a point about your youth.
I was older than that...much as I hate to admit it..

Sam and I were respecting each other on here and there was not need for you to jump in...
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:44 PM
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There is no point. You were wrong, we do not have royalty in the U.S., but we do have a very established upper class of aristocratic and old-money families.
The point is we are talking about our royal family, our aristocracy, our upper class protocols, therefore the American system is irrelevant.
Everyone knows that the Americans do NOT have a monarchy.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:45 PM
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It seems that it is only the remaining Diana fans, that give her any thought. I don't sit here thinking about Diana every moment of my day. I, like very many people don't see Camilla and think Diana.
She was IMO a very flawed individual best consigned to the history books.
I'm by no means a fan of Diana, but I certainly think about her when thinking about recent British royal events. It's rather hard not to, if you want to see the whole picture.

Clearly she's destined for a place in the history books, along with Charles, Camilla, and all the rest of them in due course. Being in the history books is a much better place for an ex-royal to be than being written out of them, after all!
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:47 PM
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The point is we are talking about our royal family, our aristocracy, our upper class protocols, therefore the American system is irrelevant.
Everyone knows that the Americans do NOT have a monarchy.
Actually, you brought up the American system, I was just responding back to it.

Then why did you type that we did have one?
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:50 PM
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Sam and I were respecting each other on here and there was not need for you to jump in...
I must have misunderstood that this was a forum, that the whole point is that anyone can put their point across.
I read your post as 'putting down' Sam because he is younger than you. I just pointed out your relative youth to some of the others on here.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:55 PM
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I must have misunderstood that this was a forum, that the whole point is that anyone can put their point across.
I read your post as 'putting down' Sam because he is younger than you. I just pointed out your relative youth to some of the others on here.
Not at all...go back and read Sam's response to me.

I enjoy the posts on here, agreeing or disagreeing with mine. That is what makes it interesting and fun and educational.

But if you think I am going to let anyone bash my country in anyway, shape or form, subtle or direct, then guess again.

There is a fine line of disagreeing without insulting another person's country..

I respect Great Britain. I may not agree with everything they do, say, believe in, etc. but I will not show my personal feelings on here so openly towards my disagreements.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:56 PM
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Actually, you brought up the American system, I was just responding back to it.

Then why did you type that we did have one?
Perhaps I should have put, America does not have a monarchy, we are talking about the British monarchy and Upper classes, therefore, the American class system is not relevent to the discussion IMO.
The class system in this country is unique to this country, as is the caste system in India, what would be acceptable to one, would not be acceptable in the other.
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Well, I see this thread has turned into a transatlatic war zone.

Everybody please take a few deep breaths and calm down; this sniping really isn't helpful to the thread or its participants.

Now, if you all have nothing worth saying other than how much you hate either Diana or Camilla and how much you don't think other people's opinions are worth listening to, is there any reason for me not to close this thread immediately? We seem to have exhausted all of the productive things that could be said on this matter, and I see no particular reason to keep it open just so that people can indulge their prejudices.

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Old 11-16-2005, 02:01 PM
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But if you think I am going to let anyone bash my country in anyway, shape or form, subtle or direct, then guess again.

There is a fine line of disagreeing without insulting another person's country.. quote]

I really don't think you can accuse me of bashing your country but, every time you critisize Prince Charles, you are 'bashing' the UK.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:03 PM
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I really don't think you can accuse me of bashing your country but, every time you critisize Prince Charles, you are 'bashing' the UK.
That is absolutely not true. If a person criticises Prince Charles, she's criticising Prince Charles, not the whole of the UK. If a person criticises President Bush, she's criticising President Bush, not the whole of the USA.
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Old 11-16-2005, 02:11 PM
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I agree with you Elspeth, close this thread. It is not productive in any way, shape or form. It has become a hotbed for expressing prejudice and hatred beyond the names on this thread.
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