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Old 11-16-2005, 12:45 PM
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And if an American said it, I still say the Brits would be up in arms at the presumption
Well I think that would be more to do with the differences in the two countries. You are right though - for an American to say it, we'd see it as out of place. But for a British Lady from the Upper Crust to say it - it doesn't sting as much. Then again, an American didn't say it so why are we worrying?
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Only in your opinion did she try to have an honest marriage.

How do you know that she didn't marry Charles to give her the freedom to bed as many men as possible, thinking that she would not be divorced, after all the royals wouldn't want the scandal!
There are many more royals who did much worse than Diana in the sleep around ideal. Princess Margaret and Prince Philip are just two examples. Gee, with the protection of being born a royal, they still got the protection of the Royal fold for their many, many indiscretions. It is ok for them but not for Diana. It is not ok for anybody.
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Gee, from the way I was raised by my mother, that would be blatantly unacceptable and immoral to greet a Prince that way. I don't even live in the Bible belt of the USA, and greeting a prince that way? It is highly suggestive and if an American woman greeted Charles like that, the Brits would be up in arms at the presumption.
What you are forgetting, was that Charles was among friends at a polo match. At that time, it was only upper class people that would have been there, people of a similar accepted class.
The British have a reputation for reserve but, from what I have heard and read, the Americans seem to get far more upset about sexual innuendo than we do.
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Well I think that would be more to do with the differences in the two countries. You are right though - for an American to say it, we'd see it as out of place. But for a British Lady from the Upper Crust to say it - it doesn't sting as much. Then again, an American didn't say it so why are we worrying?
Because it shows the obvious disdain and prejudice against my country.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:48 PM
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And Sam, with all due respect, the same could be said about your age group, you may have been very young in the 80's and early 90's to really understand and comprehend what was going on in the news regarding Diana and Charles.

I am not picking on you or making fun, but using your example of your sister's age of not really knowing who Diana is as she was rather young when Diana died.

Us old-timers who, :), to be 19 again...can remember first hand the stories and news reports of both of them being equally to blame.

I thought any sbuject of the royal family....well-heeled or not, is not supposed to initiate personal conversation with a royal.....goes against the rules of protocol.

No matter though..if he is happy so be it. He is not the prince in my country so I do not need to worry about him reigning here.
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Because it shows the obvious disdain and prejudice against my country
Well thats the British for you. And we probably won't change! Don't worry about it that much - we don't like the French either.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:52 PM
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Well I think that would be more to do with the differences in the two countries. You are right though - for an American to say it, we'd see it as out of place. But for a British Lady from the Upper Crust to say it - it doesn't sting as much. Then again, an American didn't say it so why are we worrying?
Wow...you really hate Americans, don't you?

I did not realize you were the social amabassador for your country to decide protocol, class standards, etc.

I would think if someone such as the Lord Buckhurst, Lady Alexandra Spencer-Churchill, Earl of Mornington, Earl of Pembroke, Lady Eloise Anson, Lady Victoria Hervey, etc., were to post on here, these types of comments would be understandable as they were born into, and descend from the aristocractic classes, and have first-hand and very experienced knowledge... :)
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:53 PM
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There are many more royals who did much worse than Diana in the sleep around ideal. Princess Margaret and Prince Philip are just two examples. Gee, with the protection of being born a royal, they still got the protection of the Royal fold for their many, many indiscretions. It is ok for them but not for Diana. It is not ok for anybody.
Neither of the people you mention were wife to the future King. Because of Diana's sleeping around, it has left the way clear for people to speculate as to who William and Harry's fathers were.

I'm certain that you would back a blood member of your family over everyone else, so what is wrong with that, I know I would.

Princess Margaret and Prince Philip have never co-written a book rubbishing their spouses family or spouse. They have real breeding and discretion.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:54 PM
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Thanks...I hardly think you speak for 58 million people in hating Americans.

In fact, I see you as being rather bitter towards us...
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And Sam, with all due respect, the same could be said about your age group, you may have been very young in the 80's and early 90's to really understand and comprehend what was going on in the news regarding Diana and Charles.
Lady M - you're quite right. I've been through a hell of alot but I haven't seen everything I'd like to in life and the parts I missed I read up on - but reading from books isn't the same as actually being there. And I know you don't mean this and you haven't but I'm not your average 19 year old so people shouldn't judge based on age. You didnt and thankyou for it. I understand what you mean. My opinion on Diana is based on hindsight - I wasn't old enough to get entangled in the emotional frenzy that she created. And I think thats a good thing in many ways, because I can talk about her and be totally detatched from emotion.

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I thought any sbuject of the royal family....well-heeled or not, is not supposed to initiate personal conversation with a royal.....goes against the rules of protocol
One rule for the rich and one for the poor. Thats how we've always worked and don't let anyone tell you it doesn't work like that today. There is a class system and it works as it did all those years ago.

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No matter though..if he is happy so be it. He is not the prince in my country so I do not need to worry about him reigning here
If only more people thought like that!
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:57 PM
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I'm certain that you would back a blood member of your family over everyone else, so what is wrong with that, I know I would.

They have real breeding and discretion.
In America, you should know about what we say about assuming things. I have blood relatives who slept around on a spouse and did not support them one jot.

I truly do not believe Margaret and Philip have real breeding because sinning is sinning no matter what. I am no holy roller, but Margaret had to answer for it when she died as she was quite a religious woman (weird as that is) and so will Philip.

I don't support hypocracy.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:58 PM
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Wow...you really hate Americans, don't you?
I do in all honesty but that isn't really relevant here and I don't speak for the other 58 million who live here. But the circles I move in all have a similar feeling. But there are those who adore you and I'm sure the same prejudices exist in America about the British.

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I'm not and don't put words into my mouth thankyou. I've been very civil towards you and I'd ask you to show the same courtesy. I can only offer my opinion and my experiences - you don't know who I am and you have no clue as to whether I'm a Prince or a Pauper. Don't just assume.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:59 PM
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I did not realize you were the social amabassador for your country to decide protocol, class standards, etc.

I would think if someone such as the Lord Buckhurst, Lady Alexandra Spencer-Churchill, Earl of Mornington, Earl of Pembroke, Lady Eloise Anson, Lady Victoria Hervey, etc., were to post on here, these types of comments would be understandable as they were born into, and descend from the aristocractic classes, and have first-hand and very experienced knowledge... :)
Social class and protocol within the UK is something that is totally beyond most other countries grasp, not just America. As you say, you have to be born into it, to understand it.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:03 PM
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I am not Sam. I respect your opinions. I just have never seen such blatant hatred towards my country on here. Shame, as I hope we have never done anything personally against you to make you hate us so much.

Ahh..but that is just your circle of friends. As you get older and expand your environment you will be able to see all sorts of different levels of ideas, thoughts, opinions, etc.

I felt the world thought just like I did at 19....your mind tends to expand more as you get older.

I do not think you are a Prince or a Pauper. I certainly do not think you are a member of the aristocracy as well. I think you are an intelligent person who brings a unique perspective to the forums. :)
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I am not Sam. I respect your opinions. I just have never seen such blatant hatred towards my country on here. Shame, as I hope we have never done anything personally against you to make you hate us so much.
Is it blatant hatred though? I don't think I've made vast sweeping bashing statements on the US. I was asked if I hated America and I said that yes - for what it appears to stand for and going on the stories we get here, yes I have a dislike of the American way of life.

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Hmm. Through my work I get to meet a fair few people from all ends of the social spectrum and although I don't meet every single person in 60 million, I can say I've measured the opinion from a slight cross section. And thats what I base my ideas on.

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You're a smashing lass Lady M but thats verging into patronising so lets not go down that route!

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Thanks for the compliment. I didn't claim to be aristocracy. I meant that anyone on here could be a Duchess or a Prince - you just don't know.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:10 PM
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I truly do not believe Margaret and Philip have real breeding because sinning is sinning no matter what. I am no holy roller, but Margaret had to answer for it when she died as she was quite a religious woman (weird as that is) and so will Philip.

I don't support hypocracy.
Then why do you support a woman, who betrayed her husband many times. Who gave no thought to the partners and wives she put through hell by pursuing their men. Who caused her sons such humiliation by publishing a spite based book about their father, grandparents and other relations.

Margaret answered for nothing, she was ill, she had the best possible treatments and died in comfort with her family around her. Where is the punishment in that?

Sinning is merely a concept dreamt up by the church to control the masses.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:11 PM
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Social class and protocol within the UK is something that is totally beyond most other countries grasp, not just America. As you say, you have to be born into it, to understand it.
The same works in the U.S. Don't assume to always understand our culture based on the constant attention we get in the news.

It is not represent by Sex and the City, Friends, CSI, Law and Order, ER, Lost, Desperate Housewives etc....just examples of American shows shown around the world which may cloud the picture of who we are...

What blows many of your minds is how we can squabble and argue in our country so much it looks so divided...but in reality is showing what the virtues of democracy are truly about...
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[quote=BeatrixFan]Is it blatant hatred though? I don't think I've made vast sweeping bashing statements on the US. I was asked if I hated America and I said that yes - for what it appears to stand for and going on the stories we get here, yes I have a dislike of the American way of life. [quote]

And what you do not know is if all Americans agree with what you find repulsive. Perhaps if the opinion polls here in the USA were shown in Great Britain, you might find we are not what you believe. The press in any country is going to exploit things to their perspective. Speak to a true American about the things that bother you and get a straight answer from an American. Then you will have something to base things upon.
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Is it blatant hatred though? I don't think I've made vast sweeping bashing statements on the US. I was asked if I hated America and I said that yes - for what it appears to stand for and going on the stories we get here, yes I have a dislike of the American way of life.

Hmm. Through my work I get to meet a fair few people from all ends of the social spectrum and although I don't meet every single person in 60 million, I can say I've measured the opinion from a slight cross section. And thats what I base my ideas on.

You're a smashing lass Lady M but thats verging into patronising so lets not go down that route!

Thanks for the compliment. I didn't claim to be aristocracy. I meant that anyone on here could be a Duchess or a Prince - you just don't know.
That's a shame, but I respect your beliefs. I would think that when you meet an American in your country on passing through you would not treat them with hatred.

Aww...you are a sweetheart, and I do mean that sincerely. I was not patronising you in anyway, just pointing out the obvious...love the smashing lass comment..so English..

Wouldn't it be nice to actually have one on here, to here their views on these matters? I am serious. It would be most enjoyable.
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And Sam, with all due respect, the same could be said about your age group, you may have been very young in the 80's and early 90's to really understand and comprehend what was going on in the news regarding Diana and Charles.

Us old-timers who, :), to be 19 again...can remember first hand the stories and news reports of both of them being equally to blame.
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You, from your date of birth would have been 6 when they married and 13 when they split, so most of what you remember was probably from your parents. Hardly an adult at the time.
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