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sorry but I'm in shock here, your main source of information is a TV program!!!! One where there is minimal serious research done and is made as a populist program for an entertainment channel! And yes the books that have been written about "the war of the Wales" do base their information on the book by Andrew Morton that Diana contributed to.
If you want something more credible to read, read the archival newspaper and magazine articles from the late 70's to mid '80s. Also read Stephen Barry's book "Royal Service" which when first published was banned in the UK. Stephen Barry was Charles' valet and accompanied him everywhere, including his honeymoon. The book was published in 1982 and Stephen Barry died before the marriage of C & D disintegrated. He was on the royal train and clearly states that the woman wasn't Diana, not Camilla either. On the honeymoon Diana had a great time, she wasn't upset, there were no pictures of Camilla. Charles didn't do anything for himself, the valet organises and packs everything, he would have seen pictures if there were any. Also Stephen woke Charles the day of his wedding, no Camilla anywhere near him so that's a false story too. Stephen Barry did state that it was impossible for Charles to have women sleep over at Buckingham Palace as Charles' rooms were along a corridor (no interconnecting doors) and there was no way for a night-time partner not to be noticed by the staff. He also stated that in the 12 years he worked for Charles and his first job in the morning was to wake Charles, he was always in his bed alone. The cuflink story also has no credibilty as Charles' staff would have been the ones to order them and buy them, it didn't happen. This story is attributed to Diana. Please do some serious research ( not just populist TV programs or books with no historical research, look at the sources they use).

Charles had 2 very close woman friends, Camilla and Dale Tynan. Both are mentioned throughout his dating days, he introduced his girlfriends to both and socialised with both. Convienently Dale Tynan has been airbrushed out of the picture by the "bad Charles brigade" but Charles was just as close to Lady Tynan whom he called Kanga as he was to Camilla. Lady Tynan later had mental health problems but did state before she died that they had been close but there was never a sexual relationship.

Not true also that Charles broke off contact with his former girlfriends, he is still friends with Lady Jane Wellesley whom he dated in the early '70s she was invited to both his weddings. Other former girlfriends are still friends besides Lady Jane, a few were invited to his wedding to Camilla.
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you think that a woman can want to lose his baby by hysteria?
Diana need help, and charles ignored her.
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:28 PM
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she was desperate
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:29 PM
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Charlotte1 - how fascinating. I have heard of the book but on principle have never bought it. But maybe I should. Do you recommend it?
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sorry but I'm in shock here, your main source of information is a TV program!!!! One where there is minimal serious research done and is made as a populist program for an entertainment channel! And yes the books that have been written about "the war of the Wales" do base their information on the book by Andrew Morton that Diana contributed to.
If you want something more credible to read, read the archival newspaper and magazine articles from the late 70's to mid '80s. Also read Stephen Barry's book "Royal Service" which when first published was banned in the UK. Stephen Barry was Charles' valet and accompanied him everywhere, including his honeymoon. The book was published in 1982 and Stephen Barry died before the marriage of C & D disintegrated. He was on the royal train and clearly states that the woman wasn't Diana, not Camilla either. On the honeymoon Diana had a great time, she wasn't upset, there were no pictures of Camilla. Charles didn't do anything for himself, the valet organises and packs everything, he would have seen pictures if there were any. Also Stephen woke Charles the day of his wedding, no Camilla anywhere near him so that's a false story too. Stephen Barry did state that it was impossible for Charles to have women sleep over at Buckingham Palace as Charles' rooms were along a corridor (no interconnecting doors) and there was no way for a night-time partner not to be noticed by the staff. He also stated that in the 12 years he worked for Charles and his first job in the morning was to wake Charles, he was always in his bed alone. The cuflink story also has no credibilty as Charles' staff would have been the ones to order them and buy them, it didn't happen. This story is attributed to Diana. Please do some serious research ( not just populist TV programs or books with no historical research, look at the sources they use).

Charles had 2 very close woman friends, Camilla and Dale Tynan. Both are mentioned throughout his dating days, he introduced his girlfriends to both and socialised with both. Convienently Dale Tynan has been airbrushed out of the picture by the "bad Charles brigade" but Charles was just as close to Lady Tynan whom he called Kanga as he was to Camilla. Lady Tynan later had mental health problems but did state before she died that they had been close but there was never a sexual relationship.

Not true also that Charles broke off contact with his former girlfriends, he is still friends with Lady Jane Wellesley whom he dated in the early '70s she was invited to both his weddings. Other former girlfriends are still friends besides Lady Jane, a few were invited to his wedding to Camilla.
no only for a tv show, many book, magazines, etc etc, every said one thing very clear, charles was with camilla before and later marry diana.
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:32 PM
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are the 2 sides of the history charles-diana,
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:34 PM
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Remember Anna Wallace who refused to kowtow to Charles. Several books, including The Windsor Knot by Christopher Wilson, states that Anna would not tolerate Charles' selfishness and his "friendship" with Camilla. Supposedly, Charles wanted to marry Anna and proposed not long before he did to Diana and she wouldn't do it because she was older and mature enough to see what was going on. Unfortunately, Diana couldn't.
But he stayed friends with Anna Wallace, when his marriage was on the downhill slide. Charles and Diana attended a party and Anna Wallace was also there, Charles happily danced the night away with her and Diana was majorly annoyed. Anna Wallace refused to marry Charles because she had attended a party with him and he had spent the time basically mingling with others and very little time with her. They had a public fight about it she wasn't prepared to be the 'woman in the background' . We don't know exactly why they broke up, all books including the one you've quoted, are speculating. Anna Wallace has never spoken to the press or co-operated on a book.
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the morton's book and the charles's vallet book NOT ARE NEUTRAL OPINIONS
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:38 PM
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All opinions are biased. All sources have bias to them. But the Valet Book has a certain amount of reliability because of Barry's closeness to Charles and Diana. By the same token, Gyles Brandreth's Charles and Camilla book has that reliability because of his friendship with them.
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:39 PM
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Charlotte1 - how fascinating. I have heard of the book but on principle have never bought it. But maybe I should. Do you recommend it?
Yes because it was written before the whole 'war of the Wales' and it gives a real insight into Charles' life and also his early days with Diana. Stephen Barry stopped working for Charles on April 2nd 1982. He was also 'there'( in Charles and Diana's courtship and early married life) so had inside information which is the reason the book was originally banned in the UK. It's also good to read a book with no benefit of hindsight as SB died I think in 1985.
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:40 PM
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Is it muck raking though Charlotte? Is it now avaliable in the UK?
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:43 PM
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the morton's book and the charles's vallet book NOT ARE NEUTRAL OPINIONS
Charles' valet's book is because it was written in 1982 and Stephen Barry died before the marriage fell apart. He took no sides because there were no sides to take. He liked Diana and wrote positively about her and he liked Charles as he spent 12 years working for him and respected him and enjoyed working for him.

When Stephen Barry wrote that Charles was alone on the morning of his wedding, that's not an opinion that's a fact. He was there!
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exactly, charles and diana was still married, he cant write about unhappines when all the people see in charles and diana a fairytale.
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He was an insider though corazon. He put Charles's toothpaste on his toothbrush every morning. He saw him asleep. He saw him eating his breakfast. He's bound to have a better knowledge of any unhappiness than any outsider.
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yes, but he not can write some bad about charles, like burrel said things loverly about the queen in her book.
The royal personal not can write bad things about the royal family.
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He wasnt an outsider corazon falling into the fairytale image. He was an insider and saw the real couple. The real Prince and Princess of Wales. The real Charles Windsor-Mountbatten and the real Diana Windsor-Mountbatten nee Spencer. He reported the truth before the marriage fell apart and before the tabloid went crazy.
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That is why the book was banned Corazon. It contained the truth and what really went on behind the palace doors. Good and Bad. Your excuses are running out corazon. Be a bit more open minded and start seeing the truth.
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he write untill 1985? the hell start later
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exactly corazon. That is what we are trying to say. That Charles and Diana were happy and that Camilla was not in the picture like the diehards say. It is common knowledge the marriage fell apart in the mid 80s and that they both started their affairs then at the same time.
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exactly corazon. That is what we are trying to say. That Charles and Diana were happy and that Camilla was not in the picture like the diehards say. It is common knowledge the marriage fell apart in the mid 80s and that they both started their affairs then at the same time.
charles back with camilla en 1984
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