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Old 11-26-2005, 01:28 PM
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no said diana, the press said was camilla, was the night when thhis happend and diana was in palace.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:31 PM
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When Fred Met Gladys
Charles and Camilla—a love story.
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Despite Charles' involvement with Diana, and the fact that Camilla was now married with two children, the relationship did not appear to wane. At one point, a British newspaper reported that the 19-year-old had spent several hours with the prince aboard the royal train as it stood in a siding one evening. Alas, it seems the female passenger was not Diana at all, but Mrs. Parker Bowles.


i dont said that, evebody know the history.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:34 PM
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Well if they couldn't tell the difference between Diana and Camilla, no one was close enough to Charles and his mysterious blond to tell what was going on.

Charles was with a blonde on a train before his marriage. It could have been Camilla, it could have been a fellow passenger or a member of his staff.

The fact that the press jumped so quickly from saying it was Diana to saying it was Camilla damaged their credibility that they knew at all what was going on on that train.

Besides I don't think that's what broke up the marriage.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:35 PM
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That is not a valid point. The fact is that you could not see the face clearly. It was said to be Diana when it first came out. Then after the affairs were revealed all of a sudden it was Camilla. Just a bit of tabloid gossip and a way to create drama. It means nothing. It was a pic that was used against Charles even though it was probably an innocent pic.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:35 PM
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It was a blonde woman. We never saw her face. At least I have never seen her face in a snap. It could have been Diana or Camilla or a servant. Diana said it was Camilla, the press said it was Camilla but who trusts the press?
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:40 PM
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I am looking for the photo, the photo is clear. was a night and the train was in a station.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:41 PM
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Corazon - it was clear in showing a blonde woman boarding the train - but we never saw her face. And until we see a photograph that shows it was Camilla - we can't know for sure. And is a huge deal if it was?
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charles in 1994 in the interview said than he was faithful until everything came down. there are many tests that it was lie
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:46 PM
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charles in 1994 in the interview said than he was faithful until everything came down. there are many tests that it was lie
Why won't people accept Charles could be telling the truth just as Diana could have told lies (and did). Do you seriously expect Charles to go on Jerry Springer and get wired up to a lie detector to play out the scenes of his marriage bed to suit the cultish followers of the Diana myth?
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:48 PM
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charles in 1994 in the interview said than he was faithful until everything came down. there are many tests that it was lie
corazon, I totally give up. You're just throwing out every damaging thing about Charles with no thought at all till something sticks. You're insulting our intelligence with this line of posting.

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man so I'm signing off.
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no, charles can do every he want do, is his problem not mime.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:50 PM
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ok, charles is a poor victim.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:51 PM
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Funny. It doesn't seem that way. What gets me is that people seem to think Charles is wracked with guilt and is plagued every waking day by the appearance of Diana's ghost at the foot of his bed. He's got a busy life, a loving wife and a family to fill his time without worrying about the past.

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He's just as much a victim as Diana. And so is Camilla.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:53 PM
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He's just as much a victim as Diana. And so is Camilla.
yeah, sure, he is victim of hiself, not for diana.
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Old 11-26-2005, 01:56 PM
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diana is dead and charles and camilla are the vistims, ha ha I cant read ay more.
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Charles was a victim. He wanted to marry Camilla and he didn't have the strength to disobey his parents who told him to marry Diana. He was just as unhappy in the marriage as Diana was. He then had to suffer having his most intimate secrets rattled off to the nation. How do you think the RF felt? Charles would have had to go to family events, i.e Christmas and sit in a room with his brothers and sister knowing that everyone in that room knew his secrets. Then he had to suffer being blamed for Diana's death. Then he had to suffer explaining the situation to his sons. He had to suffer being accused of having Diana murdered. He had to suffer being away from the woman he loved. And now, a little bit of sunshine has come into his life. He's been allowed to marry Camilla. He has been a victim.

Camilla has probably has suffered the most out of the three of them. She was turned into a complete monster. The press made her into a demon - and her crime? To love Charles. People are suddenly saying how wonderful Camilla is and how much they appear to love each other - we would have seen it earlier - but we weren't allowed to. The press didn't want us to. She had bread rolls thrown at her in a supermarket. And why? Because she was put on a par with Hitler when in truth she was just a face. A third party. She's been a victim too.

It's time to see that Charles and Camilla didn't lay back on a Chez Longue necking champagne and laughing whilst Diana went through turmoil - they went through turmoil and heartache too.

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What exactly do you and tiaraprin mean by that? She died in an accident - how many times do we need to go through this! Lets be honest - are you saying that Charles had Diana killed or are you saying you want Charles and Camilla to die to pay for their love?
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Old 11-26-2005, 02:06 PM
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diana not was unhappy?
the pressure, the public, the roayl family, 2 little boys, the bulimia etc etc, but you're right charles was de real victim, and camilla of course.
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Corazon, please read my post again. I never said Diana didn't suffer. She did - but no more than Charles and Camilla did. Don't make her out to be the angelic lamb. She was just as guilty, just as unhappy and just as hurt as they were.
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I think I've read every word of both incarnations of this thread, although I have not participated. Thread 2 (this one) has been impressive in its overall resistance to disintegration into the half-life of vitriol and irrational finger-pointing that this topic so often fosters.

Both sides, for the most part, have been presented with eloquence and reason and calmness. This has made the thread one of the most interesting and enjoyable ones to read. It really seems that the majority are participating with an unusual degree of open-mindedness. I hope it is kept open and continues.
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We can never say X suffered more than Y, or Y even more than Z. But we must think in this: Diana believed she would be married forever with the man she loved. In the very recent times after the wedding, she discovered he was still in love by Camilla. Diana confronted Camilla in a party telling her to not see Charles again! Diana had the right to do this because Charles was her husband. Camilla knew Diana was suffering very much and she didn't care! Charles and Camilla only thought about themselves, they were very selfish, imo. Charles didn't care about his children, about his country, about his wife. He loved Camilla and he had dates with her, so they were not so unhappy like that!
Diana did wrong things too, but in the end she was alone, and she never found her true love. Of course, divorces can happend to everyone even to Princes and Kings, and nobody can say for sure they will never divorce, but saying Diana was unhappy just like them is too much, imo. Charles didn't married with Camilla because he was always a person (a very weak person) who didn't stand up to defend the woman of his life. If he had married with Diana, and some years after that he fall in love for another person, that would be sad, but more or less understandable. Now, marring with a virgin of 19 years old knowing he was still in love with another one, only demonstrate the lack of values he had. It's Not the same with Alexandra of Denmark: she is divorced from Prince Joachim, and she has now a new boyfriend. And no one is blaming her like people blamed charles and Camilla, because Alexandra was a correct and decent woman when she married. She married with her true prince. Sadly, things didn't work out.
Diana was not an angelic lamb, and Camilla is not the Devil here. The problem in all this has a name: Charles.
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