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Old 11-03-2005, 03:38 PM
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LOL means laugh out loud.Skydragon..you are right I would agree that James Hewitt knew Diana better than anyone on this board (going with the assumption that no one here knew her personally). I do, however, find it a stretch that you are going on record as saying that they started their affair in 1981 when in fact there is no evidence (other than his hypnosis) that this did occur in 81. In reference to the lack of love that Charles and Diana had for each other, again I ask..where are you getting your information. Yes, it is clear to anyone (even the most died hard Diana fans) that Charles and Camilla love each other. As I did Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles when they were first married. I don't believe that Charles and Diana were in fact right for each other (as history as shown us) but I do believe in the beginning there was love or at least a form of it.You also mention that Diana wanted the title..again..where is the proof? And that Charles married her for an heir...I don't particulary care for Charles but that seems very cold blooded and from what I have heard of him (again, I don't personally know him) not in his character at all. He loved Diana, surely not the same enduring love that he had and shares with Camilla.
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:57 PM
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again I ask..where are you getting your information. Yes, it is clear to anyone (even the most died hard Diana fans) that Charles and Camilla love each other. As I did Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles when they were first married. I don't believe that Charles and Diana were in fact right for each other (as history as shown us) but I do believe in the beginning there was love or at least a form of it.You also mention that Diana wanted the title..again..where is the proof? And that Charles married her for an heir...I don't particulary care for Charles but that seems very cold blooded and from what I have heard of him (again, I don't personally know him) not in his character at all. He loved Diana, surely not the same enduring love that he had and shares with Camilla.
As I said zonk1189, it is in my opinion. :)
I think Diana was coerced into marrying Charles, it was something her father had always dreamed of according to any site on Johnie Spencer. However at the time of her engagement, she said all little girls want to be a princess. I believe that after the infamous interview, when Charles said 'what ever love is', she wanted to back out. Even as they walked away from the cameras, they did not, in my opinion, look as if they were in love with each other.
If Charles, as she said, rang Camilla every night while they were on honeymoon, it would certainly give the impression that he did not love her. I think he 'cared' for her and she for him, I just doubt love was involved.
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:03 PM
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Skydragon..you are correct it..it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point or rather my suggestion is this....we (including myself) shouldn't take everything that is out in cyber space or every rumor that we hear as the gospel.A website that Johnnie Spencer said he always wanted his daughter to be a princess...thats the first I have heard of that. Also, I never heard that Camilla called him every night on his honeymoon..I heard about the picture and the cuff links.
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:12 PM
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Hewitt would know more about Diana than any of us.:)
Hewitt would know more than anything about Diana during the period he knew her but she changed a lot after they broke up and he wouldn't be a good judge of the kind of person she was when she died.
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Old 11-04-2005, 07:03 AM
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Skydragon..you are correct it..it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point or rather my suggestion is this....we (including myself) shouldn't take everything that is out in cyber space or every rumor that we hear as the gospel.A website that Johnnie Spencer said he always wanted his daughter to be a princess...thats the first I have heard of that. Also, I never heard that Camilla called him every night on his honeymoon..I heard about the picture and the cuff links.
Hi Zonk. All the Spencer clan wanted closer ties with royalty according to all the articles in this country over the last 20 years. It is supposed to be one of the reasons that Lady Fermoy backed Johnie against Frances in the custody battle. To keep her grand-daughters close to the royals.
Any search engine will find you sites that describe this (except the Althorpe site).
Diana said that like all young girls she wanted to be a princess and she was actually going to be one.
Princess Michael confirmed that Diana was upset about Charles ringing Camilla while they were on honeymoon in the tabloids recently.
None of us can know if they were in love or not, but they did not appear to be 'in love' to me, compared to other couples I have seen over the years.:)
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:17 AM
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I would agree that James Hewitt knew Diana better than anyone on this board ... I do, however, find it a stretch that you are going on record as saying that they started their affair in 1981 when in fact there is no evidence (other than his hypnosis) that this did occur in 81.
There is another source for an earlier affair, although I don't know how reliable it is. In Max Clifford's (a public relations adviser) new book, he says Hewitt came to him in 1984 to ask his advice about keeping his affair with Diana secret. Hewitt eventually told Clifford that he had met Di before the wedding at a polo match, and she invited him to KP as a friend during her pregnancy with William. He became a shoulder to cry on over her unhappy marriage. A few months after William was born, in the autumn of 1982, they became lovers. Hewitt said that others knew about it at the time- police guards who let him into KP grounds, Di's ladies-in-waiting and a footman. As far as I know, none of these people have spoken about it. Clifford claims to have suggested the "riding instructor" ploy as a cover for the affair.
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:35 AM
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Princess Michael confirmed that Diana was upset about Charles ringing Camilla while they were on honeymoon in the tabloids recently.
I've never heard of daily phone calls either, only one from the yacht.
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:03 PM
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I am not being nasty when I ask what Lol means?
No..not at all. :)

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Charles waited too late to get married, women his age had baggage unbecomming to his "stage in life". He had already been around the block and back when he married a shy little young Diana who could barely lift her head when talking to people. Charles should have married when he was younger, to someone closer in age...What was he waiting for? (said in jest)

Truly sad how things worked out. In a way he had no other choice than to marry Diana, she was probably the best of the willing that could be found for him.
It is really sad.But frankly,I feel that if Prince Charles loved Camilla from the beginning,then he should have married her a long time ago.After all,she is much closer to him in age and will probably understand him better.I feel that a 13 year age gap is really too much.
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It is really sad.But frankly,I feel that if Prince Charles loved Camilla from the beginning,then he should have married her a long time ago.After all,she is much closer to him in age and will probably understand him better.I feel that a 13 year age gap is really too much.
Uh oh!My apologies for this out of the context post...I was reading the 2nd page of this topic when I wrote this...:o heh heh:o.Never mind...
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:59 PM
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My personal opinion is that Diana "thought" she loved Charles. I think she was infatuated with him and like any other young lady, thought she could change Charles and make him fall in love with her. Infatuation & Lust are very often mistaken for Love. She obviously knew of Camilla before hand, but like I stated above, I think she might have believed that she could make Charles forget about Camilla.
By the time she realized that she could not make him forget about Camilla, she had grown up and matured into a lovely lady that everyone loved and adored. Hence, her growing apart from Charles. Charles on the other hand, probably loved Diana "in his own way", but it was not enough for her. He probably found her immaturity very annoying which made him want to be far away from her. Hence he went back to Camilla, the one person in his life that understood him, his wants, his needs. Also, the love and adoration that Diana recieved from the world made Charles jealous, and since this was something that he could not achieve on his own, eventually, this made him resent Diana even more.
Camilla on the other hand, stood by Charles thru thick and thin, stayed out of the lime light, and took whatever was dished out to her. And she was happy with that. Now that she is married to Charles, she is still letting him take center stage. Charles has no one to compete with. His popularity is going up because of his sons and Camilla, and he is happy with that.
What I wonder is, if Camilla has any remorse for her part inthe break up of the marriage? You can tell that Charles felt love,remorse and pain on his face every time they showed him on t.v. or in pictures before during and after her funeral. But I do wonder about Camilla. She finally got her just reward, and both her and Charles are married and happy together. So good for them. Life goes on. God bless them and God rest Diana's soul.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:56 PM
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You cant feel remorse for breaking something that is already broken. And, it was not Camillas fault the marriage broke down. I think that is why it does not bother her. It was charles and dianas fault.
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:18 PM
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You cant feel remorse for breaking something that is already broken. And, it was not Camillas fault the marriage broke down. I think that is why it does not bother her. It was charles and dianas fault.
I am sorry, Camilla carries her equal share of the blame. She helped Charles handpick Diana because she thought Diana a "timid mouse" and would present no problems to them. She also made sure that Diana did not ride to hounds so she would still have a way to meet up with Charles. Camilla protected her place in Charles' life quite strongly. She made sure that she would still be a large presence in Charles' life no matter what.

I call that sharing the blame. She couldn't let go of him as much as he couldn't let go of her. Any woman marrying Charles didn't have a chance.
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:23 PM
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Where is the proof that Camilla kept her place with Charles and chose Diana because she was a mouse. Charles and Camilla were great friends. She was that girl friend he could go to to find advice on women. As a friend maybe she helped him find Diana. Plus, if your going to believe everything Diana says than you must believe it when she says that 50 PERCENT of the blame is hers. So like I said before that means charles has 50 percent blame or him and Camilla have 25 each. Which would mean that the marrages breakdown was mostly Dianas fault.
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She helped Charles handpick Diana because she thought Diana a "timid mouse" and would present no problems to them. She also made sure that Diana did not ride to hounds so she would still have a way to meet up with Charles.
That rumour has never been confirmed by a reputable source.

Given Diana's early fall from a horse which was known from the beginning of her marriage, she had enough to keep her from riding the hounds without Camilla interfering. The Queen extended an weekly invitation to Diana when Diana was first married that included a riding session but Diana was still too fearful. Pictures and reports of Diana struggling with the horse were in all the papers at the time.
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:30 PM
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Where is the proof that Camilla kept her place with Charles and chose Diana because she was a mouse. Charles and Camilla were great friends. She was that girl friend he could go to to find advice on women. As a friend maybe she helped him find Diana. Plus, if your going to believe everything Diana says than you must believe it when she says that 50 PERCENT of the blame is hers. So like I said before that means charles has 50 percent blame or him and Camilla have 25 each. Which would mean that the marrages breakdown was mostly Dianas fault.
That is really interesting thinking. At that moment, she was talking only about herself and Charles.

It has been recorded in various accounts from both sides that Camilla and Lady Dale Tryon vetted all of Charles' girlfriends and drew up the list of who was suitable. Diana's name was on the top. It has even been suggested that Lady Dale Tryon was mistress number two behind Camilla during this time and the two women had an "understanding".

In one book I read (I have to look it up), it was stated that the only serious fight Charles and Camilla ever had was that Camilla picked Diana and how wrong Camilla was for choosing her.
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I can attest to also hearing the same things. As a matter of fact there was a Vanity Fair magazine with the headline "The Mouse that Roared" referring to the name that Camilla used for Diana. I also saw on ABC's Good Morning America (I think it was on Monday) an interview with a writer for Vanity Fair magazine who has writtern an article for the December issue. He spoke to friends of Camilla's, and he said "It was an arranged marriage, and everyone knew it! Except Diana"
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No doubt it was an arranged marriage and EVERBODY knew it. That is why Diana waited a while before giving her answer to charles. She rarely ever saw charles and didnt have many one on ones. When she and charles were together before being engaged she would hate having charles around cause then everyone would have to act proper. She knew all of this. She was no fool. She grew up in the aristocracy. She knew everything.

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That is really interesting thinking. At that moment, she was talking only about herself and Charles.
She was also taking about Camilla. I think she said that in the Martin Basheer interview. Dont twist it around. She took half the blame. Which was the only rational thing to come out of that interview.
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It has been recorded in various accounts from both sides that Camilla and Lady Dale Tryon vetted all of Charles' girlfriends and drew up the list of who was suitable. Diana's name was on the top. It has even been suggested that Lady Dale Tryon was mistress number two behind Camilla during this time and the two women had an "understanding".
I have a lot of problems with this story. For one, I find it hard to believe that Lady Tryon agreed to spend time vetting all of Charles potential wives just to be mistress number two and take what was left of Charles after Diana and Camilla were finished with him. Why would she go to such trouble to be 3rd in line?

In fact, if Camilla and Dale both vetted Charles' girlfriends, it makes far more sense that both were doing it as friends and not as Charles' mistresses number one and two. Friends do look out for each other and they have been known to check out each other's potential girlfriends, boyfriends,etc. You're just getting to know someone, you don't know whether to take it to a more serious level, you ask your friends because you trust their judgment. My own friends have done it for each other.

I don't know about Vanity Fair but as close-mouthed as Camilla is, I'd be surprised that she picks the type of friends that talk to reporters. We haven't gotten any juicy gossip about Charles' and Camilla's relationship after the beginning of Charles' marriage and these stories came out several years later.
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