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Old 11-30-2010, 05:27 AM
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WikiLeaks: Prince Charles 'not as well respected as the Queen' - Commonwealth official claims | Mail Online

Prince Charles is not as well respected as the Queen according to a senior figure within the Commonwealth - throwing into doubt his future suitability to lead it.

The official said they were trying to get Charles more involved in Commonwealth affairs, according to the cable that has been passed to WikiLeaks.

Wikileaks cable: Prince Charles 'not respected like Queen' | UK news | The Guardian

A senior figure in the Commonwealth secretariat used talks with a US diplomat to cast doubt on Prince Charles's suitability to succeed his mother as head of the 54-country association.

Amitav Banerji, Commonwealth secretariat director of political affairs, told a US embassy political officer in London that "heir-apparent to the British crown, Prince Charles, does not 'command the same respect' as the Queen".

The cables also reveal that Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall are considered key players in diplomatic relations between the UK and Saudi Arabia. They are said to have helped to overcome "severe strains" following Saudi Arabia's imprisonment and torture of five Britons from December 2001 to August 2003 and the UK's official fraud investigations of British Aerospace operations in Saudi Arabia in 2004.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:44 AM
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I don't understand how these people just don't get it! Of course he is not as well respected as his mother . . . . . . she's had oh I don't know

58 years practice!

Ask us again when Charles has had 5 or more.
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Glad to have seen this article - very reassuring that there is no rule for passing on the mantle of the Commonwealth.

There should be a rolling programme of nations, similar to the EU.
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:28 PM
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What if the heir presumptive converted to Roman Catholicism? Would the next heir in line then inherit?
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:18 PM
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Yes, if Charles converted to Catholicism, William would become the heir.
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Very interesting, lumutqueen. Thanks.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:38 PM
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What if the heir presumptive converted to Roman Catholicism? Would the next heir in line then inherit?

Just a technical point for you - Charles is heir apparent not heir presumptive.

The heir apparent can't be replaced by anyone else.

An heir presumptive (or heiress presumptive) can be replaced by another person

e.g. William is Charles heir apparent as no other child of Charles can replace him in the line of succession from his father but say William and Harry both passed on in their current military careers then Andrew would become Charles' heir presumptive as any legitimate child of Charles' would replace him in the line of succession.

The present Queen, while the heir to her father was the heiress presumptive as there was always a chance that something could happen and her father could have a son.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:38 PM
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I think when QEII dies while Charles is still alive, you will see a rapid unravelling of the Commonwealth. It's possible if William is hugely popular and the Heir that they will hang on for another generation. William is certainly going to be on a wave of popularity for the next few years, if the wedding press is anything to go by.
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Old 11-30-2010, 08:47 PM
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Thank you for your oh so patronising words. I would like to know what gives you the idea that with the death of Queen Elizabeth we will see the Commonwealth rapidly unravel? The Queen is merely the Head of the Commonwealth, the rest is political, diplomatic, trade and, once every four years, sports related and no one is in any hurry to mess up financial or trade relationships because the Queen dies.

The Commonwealth will mourn her and then move on. Whether it is with the new King at it's head is too soon to tell. However, the monarchy is the one thing we all have in common, the glue that holds us together, and together we, in the Commonwealth, enjoy a closer diplomatic and trade relationship, so I am betting we will see little, if any, change.
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How are my words patronising? I believe it is against this board's rules to insult other posters. As far as what gives me the idea, please page up to the Wikileaks posted by Wbenson. I am apparantly not the only one who thinks this way, including the US State Department...
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:54 PM
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How are my words patronising? I believe it is against this board's rules to insult other posters. As far as what gives me the idea, please page up to the Wikileaks posted by Wbenson. I am apparantly not the only one who thinks this way, including the US State Department...

There is a difference between thinking Charles won't be the automatic head and thinking the Commonwealth itself will fade away.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
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I think QEII's death will be a natural 'break point' for many of the Commonwealth nations, regardless of who is the Heir. I meant no disrespect to the institution. I am sorry if you took it that way.
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I think QEII's death will be a natural 'break point' for many of the Commonwealth nations, regardless of who is the Heir. I meant no disrespect to the institution. I am sorry if you took it that way.

But what do you mean by 'break point'?

e.g. here in Australia there is regular talk of us becoming a republic and even the suggestion that the Queen's death would be a good time for that to happen but I haven't seen any suggestion that we would contemplate leaving the Commonwealth.
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I think Scooter means that when QE11 passes away, commonwealth nations will find it easier to break away.
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I think Scooter means that when QE11 passes away, commonwealth nations will find it easier to break away.
But why on earth would we? The Commonwealth offers only benefits, no burdens.
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But why on earth would we? The Commonwealth offers only benefits, no burdens.
Quite right. Perhaps scooter is unaware that being a member of the Commonwealth does not make HM the head of state?
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Perhaps I am wrong. It is only IMHO. With any luck it will be many years before we lose Queen Elizabeth and will then find out!
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Perhaps I am wrong. It is only IMHO. With any luck it will be many years before we lose Queen Elizabeth and will then find out!


You have still not answered the question as to why you think the commonwealth will unravel after the death of HM?
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The message was clear: Charles is a King-in-waiting as Commonwealth crown jewels were laid out in Sri Lanka

All the Commonwealth crown jewels were laid out on the table last night. The 18-carat gold Commonwealth Mace, with a socking great ruby in its crown, is just as much a statement of regal clout as, say, the Orb. There, too, were the Commonwealth Goblets, the gold cups (one for each member state) which are produced when the Sovereign entertains the leaders of her Commonwealth.

These treasures had all been flown out to Colombo for the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall. Earlier in the day, the Prince had formally opened the 2013 Commonwealth Summit. And when he whacked the Queen’s gavel on the table last night and called the representatives of a third of the world’s population to order, he did so as de facto Monarch. In the very week that Prince Charles has reached what most people would regard as retirement age, he is as busy and contented as he has ever been. And yesterday was his most significant step yet in assuming the mantle of Monarch.

This was a very important moment not just for the Prince but for the Monarchy. The sub-text was clear: here is a King-in-waiting. Hosting meetings of the Commonwealth is one of the principal duties of the Sovereign. And it can also be one of the trickiest, especially at a chaotic summit like this one. The main task for the Prince, as for the Queen in years gone by, has been to provide a badly-needed veneer of unity and glamour. And he has succeeded. Yesterday morning, the Prince avoided all politics, saluted Sri Lanka’s fortitude in the face of the 2004 tsunami and praised the Commonwealth for its ‘touch of healing’. At last night’s banquet, he struck a more personal note with his own Commonwealth memories stretching back to his childhood. Musing on early leaders such as Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, who had given the boy Charles a much-loved bow and arrows at Balmoral, the Prince had his guests in giggles with the tale of the student Charles going waterskiing with Malta’s fiery Dom Mintoff.

Perversely, the more ill-tempered this summit becomes, the more people have been pleased to see the Prince and the Duchess. Such is the power of royal stardust. Having won over this fractious crowd in Colombo, a State Opening of Parliament should be a piece of cake. Though he remains HRH, and not HM, there’s unquestionably a different aura; a head of state buzz about this place.

Back in March, the Secretary General, India’s Kamalesh Sharma, made a speech saluting the Queen’s staunch service to the Commonwealth. He went on: ‘The support given to you in this endeavour by the Prince of Wales deepens the Commonwealth’s links to the Crown. Such heartfelt enthusiasm brings a foundation of friendship and continuity.’ No mere pleasantries. In diplomatic speak, Mr Sharma was saying: ‘All things considered, we’ll stick with the Crown.’ May it be many, many years hence. But come the day when there is a change of reign, I think that Charles III and his Commonwealth are going to get along just fine.



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