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Old 10-09-2008, 08:37 PM
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Personally I do not care about carbon footprint of Prince Charles, his wife, and their staff. He can walk to Japan, Indoneasia, and Brunei, if he wishes. The point was that there was no need to drag President Bush's trips into an eco-organic debate.
I believe it was merely an example and can see no reason to take offence. I can't see where organic comes into it, the point was being made that at least Charles tries to be eco friendly, whereas our esteemed leaders (and ex leader) Bush and Blair really don't care how much damage they do with their farewell tours, to the environment!
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:42 PM
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Let us abstain from the "Prince Charles's trips vs. trips of Presidents Bush and Sarkozy as well as former Prime Minister Blair" debate as the latter has nothing to do with the upcoming trip.
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:49 PM
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Let us abstain from this "Prince Charles vs. Presidents Bush and Sarkozy as well as former Prime Minister Blair" debate as the latter has nothing to do with the upcoming trip.
It is very relevant, the media in the UK are already bleating about the carbon cost, but failed to compare it to the carbon footprint of Blair, Prescot or Bush. At least Charles offsets his and that of his wife and staff. You may not care about being eco friendly but others do and are allowed to make their point regarding it, unless the forum rules have changed!
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:08 PM
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How stupid and thoughtless can a publication be?

Where's the pampered prince in this crisis? | Mail Online

Where's the pampered prince in this crisis?


A catastrophe for capitalism; the new austerity; financial Armageddon: however you describe the national crisis, few of us have known such dark days. And at such times, we turn instinctively to our leaders - political, spiritual and royal.
Now, more than ever, is the moment when our future King and his Queen could - and should - lead by example.

So how does Prince Charles show he is standing with us through these troubled times? By announcing he is pushing ahead with his Ģ250,000 ten-day jolly to Japan and Indonesia to promote trade and inter-faith understanding with Muslims. "


The crisis the world faces at the moment is a crisis started by greedy bankers and politicians who created a climate of mistrust. Japan has been through a similar crisis 20 years agao and following that, has changed the laws, so today Japan is the nation with the most potential to help Europe in this crisis. What could be better than to send The Prince of Wales to this most important partner of the EU, a person people can believe when he says that he is not in for the fast win but for the long-term stability?

A jolly? A very necessary duty for the Prince and the right one at the right time. Or should he stop doing engagements because he wants to save money? Spending his time instead cleaning his home and growing vegetables on his own on sending his staff out into the street? And that stupid propsal from a paper who has no qualms sending people to all corners of the world to follow celebs or report about fashion shows? Come on!
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Old 10-11-2008, 03:37 PM
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How stupid and thoughtless can a publication be?----snipped----
The crisis the world faces at the moment is a crisis started by greedy bankers and politicians who created a climate of mistrust. Japan has been through a similar crisis 20 years agao and following that, has changed the laws, so today Japan is the nation with the most potential to help Europe in this crisis. What could be better than to send The Prince of Wales to this most important partner of the EU, a person people can believe when he says that he is not in for the fast win but for the long-term stability?

A jolly? A very necessary duty for the Prince and the right one at the right time. Or should he stop doing engagements because he wants to save money? Spending his time instead cleaning his home and growing vegetables on his own on sending his staff out into the street? And that stupid proposal from a paper who has no qualms sending people to all corners of the world to follow celebs or report about fashion shows? Come on!
Jo, you ask how stupid, but this write up is the usual vitriol from Amanda Platell. As you can see from this Wiki article, she is described as poisonous. She doesn't appear to have much understanding of the credit crisis poor little thing, well she wouldn't, the amount she is probably paid.
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Old 10-11-2008, 03:48 PM
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I'm looking forward to this. Fingers crossed for a tiara outing and I'm sure the Emperor will be generous with an Imperial Order for Her Royal Highness. Fingers crossed.
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:04 PM
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And a smaller size kimono than they arranged for Princess Diana.
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The heck with all this stuff. Beatrix Fan how are you? Good to see your post here.
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Old 10-11-2008, 04:06 PM
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The heck with all this stuff. Beatrix Fan how are you? Good to see your post here.
Getting there thanks darling! I'll drop you a PM. Must stay on topic or our manicured knuckles will be rapped by those on high.
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:28 PM
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And a smaller size kimono than they arranged for Princess Diana.
The Japanese Imperial family arranged kimono for Diana, Princess of Wales...? As a rule, Japanese do not favour foreigners wearing kimonos during official receptions or trying to imitate the Japanese etiquette. Gaijiin can not proper wear kimonos anyway and tend to look clumsy.
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:33 PM
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Diana was given a kimono, exactly who gave it to her I donīt know, but it was absolutely enormous!!!
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:42 PM
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Kimono could not be enormous. I doubt that Japanese gave a wrong size kimono to Diana Princess of Wales. One should know how to wear it. If properly tied and tucked, there would not have been any issues. Kimonos are a work of art. They have to be treated accordingly.
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:45 PM
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Jo, you ask how stupid, but this write up is the usual vitriol from Amanda Platell. As you can see from this Wiki article, she is described as poisonous. She doesn't appear to have much understanding of the credit crisis poor little thing, well she wouldn't, the amount she is probably paid.
Depends on where she stores her money. Probably she is not yet in the zone where you own an estate, so that would explain a lot!
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:57 PM
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Kimono could not be enormous. I doubt that Japanese gave a wrong size kimono to Diana Princess of Wales. One should know how to wear it. If properly tied and tucked, there would not have been any issues. Kimonos are a work of art. They have to be treated accordingly.
I am sorry Al Bina but I saw the photo and even Princess Diana was smiling about it. It wasnīt a ceremonial kimono, it was red (I think) and they had made it for a Western lady and probably knew she was tall but overestimated her height.
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:15 PM
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Yes, here's a picture of the event: ImageShack - Hosting :: 76214577gy2.jpg
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:22 PM
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You mean this one dianakimono on Flickr - Photo Sharing!. It was not properly tucked and tied with an obi belt (Japanese Obi Kimono Sash - Japanese Clothing Accessories). This kimono was made by Yasujiro Yamaguchi, the prominent artist. Thus, he could not give the wrong size kimono to Diana, Princess of Wales.
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"Here," he said, lifting up a salmon-toned fabric depicting the first daffodils of spring, a pattern he gave to Princess Diana. "She was visiting Kyoto, and I presented her with a more elaborate one, but she saw this one, a bit more subdued, and asked for it, too. How could I refuse?"
Reference: Twilight for the Kimono - washingtonpost.com
Queen Rania wore the kimono presented to her in a proper fashion and looked magnificent.
The following is the YouTube clip that gives instructions on how to put a yukata (a summer light cotton kimono)on. This clip explains why a kimono tends to be long @2.:13 http://www.ichiroya.com/kitsukedvd.htm
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:23 PM
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Kimono could not be enormous. I doubt that Japanese gave a wrong size kimono to Diana Princess of Wales. One should know how to wear it. If properly tied and tucked, there would not have been any issues. Kimonos are a work of art. They have to be treated accordingly.
It was a furisode, which is the wrong sort of kimono for a married woman anyway. So I don't think that correctness was much of an issue.
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Old 10-11-2008, 06:26 PM
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Elspeth,
Thanks a lot! I believe TheTruth has already found a picture as well as I have found one myself.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:44 PM
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This is totally off-topic, but "furisode" sounds like a temper tantrum; i.e. a "furious episode."

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It was a furisode, which is the wrong sort of kimono for a married woman anyway. So I don't think that correctness was much of an issue.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:16 PM
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I'm not a Royal, though I like to think I was kidnapped away as an infant from a cool royal family and raised by, oh, I don't know, storks, or Canadians.

But I have been on national book tours, and let me tell you, they are exhausting.

My first British one brought me to tears when I couldn't get anything to eat, not even a burger, after a day that consisted of a long-distance flight from the US, public appearances as soon as I hit the ground, four TV and three radio interviews and two book signings, all in one day!

A big US tour had me in seven cities in eight days (two days in LA), and by the end I was a basket case: exhausted, weepy, sleep-deprived, starved.

You fly in in the morning, go to the hotel, dump your stuff and change (if you're lucky; sometimes you have to go do appearances straight from the airport), MAYBE get a bite to eat, and then you're talking to people all day long, and by the time you get to bed it's almost midnight, and maybe you can get room service, if the hotel has it, which it doesn't always at that time of night, and you get like three hours' sleep because you have to be up at 4 a.m. to do hair and makeup for morning TV shows, then get on a plane for the next city, where you must do it all over again. For two or three weeks at a time.
No wonder rock bands trash their hotel rooms; I was feeling pretty tempted myself by the end of the tour.

It is not fun or easy or restful but very, very hard work, and it is not a free vacation paid for by the publishing company. Sure, you get an "escort" paid for by them to take you around to your appearances and appointments and presumably make sure you get fed, but your time is not your own, and you can't treat it as anything but a job, and a demanding one at that. And the appearances rule what you can do: there were plenty of times, on US and UK tours both, where a signing ran over and I was late for the next interview and never got lunch or dinner.

And when you're as hungry as that, and as tired and cranky and sleep-deprived as that, and the weather is 95 degrees with 87% humidity, and you still have to be gracious and smile and converse intelligently...and 61 years old...come on!

And that's just a tiny little version of what a Royal tour must be like, where you have to be "on" a million times more and the whole world is sniping at you if you wear a dress they don't like or too many/not enough jewels or if you get faint or dizzy. Didn't that happen to Diana once, on tour? Would you rather see Camilla collapse in Indonesia?

Yeah, she has handlers to look after her and make sure she doesn't get too stressed out, but it is still very, very rugged.

I sympathize with you entirely, YRH Camilla, ma'am. I'd back out of that part of the tour too.


ETA: I don't mean to boast, I just wanted people to see that this kind of thing isn't a doddle.
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