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Old 04-03-2005, 01:38 PM
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Definatley Won't be Postponed

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LONDON (Reuters) - The wedding of Britain's Prince Charles to Camilla Parker Bowles will go ahead Friday even if it clashes with the funeral of Pope John Paul, Clarence House said Sunday.



"If the funeral falls Friday, the wedding will still go ahead," a spokeswoman said. The Pope's funeral was expected to be held between Wednesday and Friday.

The royal wedding has been hit by several glitches from the outset, with the British tabloids dubbing it a royal fiasco.

The venue had to be switched from Windsor Castle to the town hall in Windsor after a mix-up over marriage licenses. Constitutional experts have also questioned the legality of a civil ceremony. Charles divorced his first wife, Princess Diana, in 1996. She died in a car crash in Paris a year later. Queen Elizabeth has said she will not attend her eldest son's second marriage but she is planning to attend a blessing being given afterwards by Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams at Windsor Castle, west of London.
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Old 04-03-2005, 03:16 PM
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It would be unfortunate if the wedding was postponed. But I think the funeral of the pope is more important then.
Few minutes ago I read in the videotext that Crownprincess Victoria won't attend the wedding because she's in Japan. Only Crownprince Haakon with a bigger name will be there.
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Old 04-03-2005, 05:04 PM
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if the funeral of the Pope and the wedding of Charles happen on the same day....dun they think that it's kinda bad luck or something? or....kinda weird when others pay their respect to the Pope and they go ahead on their own wedding....that's kinda weird
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Camilla will get Diana's title Princess of Wales: newspaper

Click to enlarge photoLONDON (AFP) - Camilla Parker Bowles will be given the title Princess of Wales, the one most associated with the late Princess Diana, when she marries Britain's Prince Charles on Friday, a newspaper said.

The title will be confirmed in a parliamentary statement in response to a question from Andrew MacKinlay, a member of parliament from the governing Labour Party, the Sunday Times said.

The title will likely anger supporters of the late princess, who blamed Parker Bowles for the breakup of her marriage to Prince Charles, it said.

As a sop to public opinion, Parker Bowles has made it known she wants to be called Duchess of Cornwall, taking another of Charles's titles, after her wedding.

She would change it to Princess Consort on his succession to the throne, rather than be called queen.

However, Chris Leslie, the constitutional affairs minister, will confirm on Monday that she will be given all her husband's titles, the Sunday Times said.

The list includes Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Earl of Chester, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland, the newspaper said.

Senior government officials said it would take an act of parliament to change the law for Parker Bowles not to accept the titles, the newspaper said.

MacKinlay believes parliament is the custodian of the constitution and it is not the place of senior royal household members to tell the country what they would like people to be called, the newspaper said.





that sucks...i dun want to call her princess of wales...cuz in many of our hearts...there's only ONE Princess of Wales..and that's Diana!


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Old 04-03-2005, 06:06 PM
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From The Sunday Times:

The same news but in a rather good & interesting article from The Sunday Times...

Official: Camilla to be Princess of Wales

David Cracknell and Christopher Morgan

CAMILLA Parker Bowles will be given the title Princess of Wales when she marries Prince Charles on Friday, the government will announce tomorrow.

The title will be confirmed in a parliamentary statement in response to a question from Andrew Mackinlay, a Labour MP. It is likely to anger supporters of the late Diana, Princess of Wales.

The disclosure, four days before the wedding, is potentially more embarrassing for Parker Bowles than the earlier admission that she will one day become queen. The title remains closely linked in the public mind to Diana, especially among those who blame Parker Bowles for ruining Diana’s marriage to Charles.

Parker Bowles has made it known that she wants to be called Duchess of Cornwall, taking another of Charles’s titles, after her marriage. It is planned that this will be changed to Princess Consort on his succession.

However, Chris Leslie, the constitutional affairs minister, will confirm tomorrow that she will be given all her husband’s titles. The list includes Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Earl of Chester, Lord of the Isles and Great Steward of Scotland.

Senior government sources say that it would take an act of parliament to change the law for Parker Bowles not to accept the titles.

A spokesman for the constitutional affairs department said yesterday: “There will be a statement in response to a parliamentary written answer on Monday.

“It is simple: she automatically takes the title Princess of Wales and all the other titles that go with her marriage to the Prince of Wales.”

Vivienne Parry, who worked closely with Diana for several years, was alarmed at the disclosure. “How crass! You have to take account of the nation’s sensibilities. To the nation, Diana, Princess of Wales was irreplaceable,” she said.

“I actually feel sorry for Camilla: to saddle the poor woman with this title imposes a burden on her she has not asked for and should not have to bear. It is not fair on her.”

Mackinlay, whose inquiries led to the government’s statement that Camilla would become queen if Charles succeeded to the throne, believes that parliament is the custodian of the constitution and that it is not the place of senior royal household members to tell the country what they would like people to be called.

“There has been a disquieting lack of candour throughout this,” he said last night.

“The decision over titles is the property of parliament. It does not belong to Clarence House or even to Buckingham Palace. The custodians of the constitution are parliamentarians.”

It has also emerged that Charles and Parker Bowles will kneel down and say a prayer of dedication aloud together during the service which will follow the civil ceremony on Friday.

In a reference to their former spouses they will offer “our thoughts and words and deeds, our love for one another”.

According to recent opinion polls, Britain is slowly warming to the affair between Charles and Camilla, with 43% of people saying they approve of the marriage of the two divorcees — although another survey found that the figure was as high as 65%. Last summer only 32% approved.

However, the polls show that the public is less keen on Parker Bowles getting a meaningful title or becoming queen. A poll last month found that just 7% thought she should be queen.

Critics of the recent actions of Charles’s household say that trying to hide the reality of what will happen on Friday has not helped to prepare the British public to accept the marriage.
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Old 04-03-2005, 06:20 PM
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What I don't get from all this about the title: they say that Diana will always be the Princess of Wales.

But what about the potential woman Prince William may marry? Surely the title Princess of Wales shouldn't be taken out of use forever?
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Old 04-03-2005, 07:28 PM
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do not think that the pope would want anyone to postpone their wedding on his account. He will be smiling on them from heavan
Please, I ask for respect for the Pope in this sad hour.... I Really don't think that Pope will smile to Charles and Camilla from Heaven... That should be a (bad) joke from you...
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Please, I ask for respect for the Pope in this sad hour.... I Really don't think that Pope will smile to Charles and Camilla from Heaven... That should be a (bad) joke from you...
There is really no need for such a comment. Nobody can really predict how the late Pope John Paul II would react to the wedding this week of Charles and Camilla and if some members feel that the Pope would be happy for this couple then that is their feeling, just as it is your opinon that he would not be.

There's no need to say that someone else's opinon is a bad joke.

Please have respect for the opinons and feelings of other members.

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Old 04-03-2005, 09:34 PM
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that sucks...i dun want to call her princess of wales...cuz in many of our hearts...there's only ONE Princess of Wales..and that's Diana!

Which is why she's going to be known as Duchess of Cornwall. Nobody's going to CALL her Princess of Wales, but since this isn't a morganatic marriage, she'll be Princess of Wales automatically once she married the Prince of Wales.
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Old 04-03-2005, 09:37 PM
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What I don't get from all this about the title: they say that Diana will always be the Princess of Wales.

But what about the potential woman Prince William may marry? Surely the title Princess of Wales shouldn't be taken out of use forever?
It's possible that some people just aren't thinking very clearly. But I thought they were perhaps referring to "Princess of Wales" as far as the wife of Prince Charles is concerned, not for the entire future. People got used to the future Queen Mary being Princess of Wales after the accession of Edward VII even though Queen Alexandra had been Princess of Wales for decades.
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Old 04-03-2005, 10:00 PM
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So much of the confusion over this is a result of the media reporting at the time of the engagement announcement that Camilla wouldn't *be* Princess of Wales and wouldn't *be* Queen, which was misleading because that was never said in any of the official releases. The media used the verb *be* arbitrarily on their own.
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I just heard on Tv, i could be wrong, that Camilla will be Princess of Wales on Friday
I thought Duchess of Cornwall?
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I just heard on Tv, i could be wrong, that Camilla will be Princess of Wales on Friday
I thought Duchess of Cornwall?
Australian~Technically she will be Princess of Wales but she will be known as Duchess of Cornwall. When they marry she inherhits all of Charles' titles. For her not to be Princess of Wales laws would have to be passed. It is like how she will technically be Queen one day but will be known as Princess Consort.
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no way! I told my other forums same things about Camilla cant become Princess of Wales because Diana already took in 1981!

Camilla cant become Princess of Wales! if many people who lived in England would hurt their feelings in Diana's fans and MINE! but Camilla would known as Duchess of Cornwall or Princess or Consort because she cant become Princess of Wales follow low profiles of late Diana,Princess of Wales to remind PEROID!

that my answer QUESTION!

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Old 04-04-2005, 01:39 AM
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Sara, she will BECOME Princess of Wales; because of people's feelings about Diana she will be KNOWN as Duchess of Cornwall. There's no way she can't become Princess of Wales in a country where morganatic marriage doesn't exist unless some very specific law was written to say that she would become Charles's wife and take all his titles except for Princess of Wales. The only other way I can think of would be if Charles renounced the title Prince of Wales; then he and Camilla would be the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and his sons would be Princes William and Henry of Cornwall.
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Sara, she will BECOME Princess of Wales; because of people's feelings about Diana she will be KNOWN as Duchess of Cornwall. There's no way she can't become Princess of Wales in a country where morganatic marriage doesn't exist unless some very specific law was written to say that she would become Charles's wife and take all his titles except for Princess of Wales. The only other way I can think of would be if Charles renounced the title Prince of Wales; then he and Camilla would be the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and his sons would be Princes William and Henry of Cornwall.
my answer said NO!

Prince William and Prince Harry still his last names as Wales or Windsors from his dad but William and Harry will known Camilla as step-mother! but my hurt feelings about Camilla will become Princess of Wales i dont like it! but Camilla will known as Duchess of Cornwall or Princess of Consort that it its would be my answer question! PEROID!

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Just so long as you understand the difference between "will become" and "will be known as."

As to what she's known as when Charles inherits the throne, I think we'll all just have to wait and see how that turns out.
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yes, it was just on the bbc news, camilla will be but not use her title PoW, because of Diana, she will be known as HRH the duchess of cornwall.

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Just so long as you understand the difference between "will become" and "will be known as."

As to what she's known as when Charles inherits the throne, I think we'll all just have to wait and see how that turns out.
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I actually don't mind Camilla being Princess of Wales, (although i think Diana is the better Princess of Wales). Camilla has the rights to it being married to Prince Charles. There will be many women in the future who will have the rights to this title as well, and it would be most unfair to deny it to them because it was Princess Diana's title. Anyhow, it is just a title, she's still going to be the disliked partner of Prince Charles :P
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I don't think Camilla should have any tittle that high up, that's his 2nd marriage not first, maybe she should been Known as Lady Camilla Windsor but nothing higher than that. I don't understand why things just change for her and Charles, what about Charles's father why is he a duke not a Prince Consort, his Married to a QUEEN..

One more thing for those People not within the Catholic faith, have respect for the ones who are, the Pope is like God's son on Earth, he did many things for People, wanted Peace and he didn't care if you were Anglican, Muslim, Jewish or whatever, he respected everyone, he even kissed the Koran and was at the Worship wall in Israel. Everyone should have respect no matter your faith or Culture and I think the Wedding should be postpone due to the fact that no date has been set for the Funeral and alot of head of State will be atttending the Funeral, which means alot of Politicians and Royalty.. 1 day more won't hurt either Charles or Camilla since they waited this long to be together 1 extra day won't hurt them. A Mark of Respect won't hurt anyone..
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