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06-02-2013, 01:56 PM
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And had Diana lived, Charles , IMHO would not have married Camilla.
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Interesting but i remember that apparently Diana herself advised Charles to make Camilla an "honest woman". According to one of her friends, and i don't know if it's reliable :
Diana 'Urged Charles To Marry Camilla' | Contactmusic.com
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06-02-2013, 02:36 PM
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Same rules apply to whoever's PR
And silly me talking about C&C on the C&C thread!
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06-02-2013, 03:46 PM
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You are right. But and correct me if I am wrong, if he married Camilla while Diana was still alive, he could not have become king.
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06-02-2013, 03:56 PM
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I think everyone should follow William & Harry's example. Except the fact the Diana is dead, and Charles has married again. They don't seem to do comparisons, so I am not sure why anyone else would seem so concerned.
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06-02-2013, 03:56 PM
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You are right. But and correct me if I am wrong, if he married Camilla while Diana was still alive, he could not have become king.
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Why not? The state recognizes civil divorce. The Cof E performed a blessing of the marriage while Andrew PB was still the living exhusband of Camilla so having a living ex spouse is not a problem for the CofE.
It is also entirely possible by 2005 that Diana herself might have been remarried.
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06-02-2013, 04:00 PM
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You are right. But and correct me if I am wrong, if he married Camilla while Diana was still alive, he could not have become king.
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He still would have been capable of becoming king because the CoE and the parliaments of his future realms all agreed that they didn't have a problem with him remarrying.
Camilla's first husband is still alive and that doesn't pose a problem to the validity of her second marriage.
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06-02-2013, 04:01 PM
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You are right. But and correct me if I am wrong, if he married Camilla while Diana was still alive, he could not have become king.
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The Church of England do recognize divorce so i don't think it would be a problem to have an ex wife around. But i could be wrong...
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06-02-2013, 04:37 PM
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It hard to have a conversation about Charles and Camilla without Diana coming up.
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Yet u know the moderators are quick to close a thread for any little thing and that this thread has been closed before because of a rehash of tr love triangle.
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06-02-2013, 05:45 PM
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The Church of England do recognize divorce so i don't think it would be a problem to have an ex wife around. But i could be wrong...
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I was confused, because, and I may have read this and how correct it was I cannot tell, that having a living ex-wife, whether she married or not, would have proved a block for his becoming king. I have no idea and, yes, I thought of APB being around, so I thought well, there may be a different standard for the person who will be crowned.
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06-02-2013, 06:00 PM
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I was confused, because, and I may have read this and how correct it was I cannot tell, that having a living ex-wife, whether she married or not, would have proved a block for his becoming king. I have no idea and, yes, I thought of APB being around, so I thought well, there may be a different standard for the person who will be crowned.
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There would have been no legal block on his becoming King simply for having a living ex-wife, only one created by the media and the public. The only legal block would have been created if he had married or become a Catholic.
It was suggested that had Diana herself remarried and been seen to be happy that would have helped the Prince because it may have taken some of the anger out of those who believed he was the sole cause of all of Diana's unhappiness.
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06-02-2013, 06:40 PM
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I was confused, because, and I may have read this and how correct it was I cannot tell, that having a living ex-wife, whether she married or not, would have proved a block for his becoming king. I have no idea and, yes, I thought of APB being around, so I thought well, there may be a different standard for the person who will be crowned.
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The living ex was an issue during the Abdication Crisis, so I understand your confusion.
70 years ago the CoE's stance was that you couldn't remarry in the Church if you had a living ex-spouse. When Edward wanted to marry Wallis this was one of the many reasons at play.
Today the CoE has changed it's stance on divorce, so living ex-spouses no longer presents a problem. If having a living ex-spouse was a problem then APB would have been one as much as Diana would have, had she still been alive at the time of the wedding.
The idea here is that if a Church doesn't recognize divorce then in the eyes of said Church an individual with a living ex-spouse is still married to that spouse. As such, any subsequent marriage undertaken by either is bigamous and invalidated. So, say Person A is a monarch and he divorces Person B in order to marry Person C, who has divorced Person D. If either B or D are alive and the Church doesn't recognize divorce then the marriage is invalid. If both B and D are dead or if the Church recognizes divorce then the marriage is valid.
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A big slap on the back compliment to Nico who is doing what the forums ask us to do in using and sharing sources to make a point. Agree or not, this was well done and in the spirit of the forums! Yay. 
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One of my all-time favorite photos of this couple. I always say actions speak louder than words:
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/R...65_VPUTQol.jpg
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What a lovely image, Prince Charles is such a gentleman, he is a great role model for all men in how to treat a lady (or any woman) the right way-nice gesture and very classy
Also I like the way he is dressing up in traditional English fashion & he has surely given Camilla some advice on fashion too because she seems to be dressing so much better than before they got married.I know that this fashion-talk is a little bit off topic,but as Prince Charles is a man who appreciates art and good craftmanship I believe that he also cares about good quality clothes and makes an effort to look good in public.
I never disliked Camilla, but in the first pictures I have seen of her (while Diana was still alive) she did not seem to care much about her appearance and I think that her husband has shown her that it is also important to make sure to look appropriate if she wants to be taken seriously.
Now I do not remember where, but I remember reading an article where a person who knew Camilla personally said about her that she has a hippie-mindset,she is very relaxed and generally very pleasant because she is very down-to-earth. This is also the impression that I get from seeing her-Camilla seems to be very uncomplicated and fuss-free, she does not mind getting wet in the rain and also she is laughing a lot & enjoys life. Maybe that impression is wrong, but to me she seems like a balanced, jovial woman with a bright mind and good sense of humour.
Furthermore I admire her strength and good will and I think she was brave to fight for her love!
If I had been in her position I would have left the country when she was so vilified and hated because of the broken marriage.I could never live with all that hate and humiliation and the angry press articles without going insane or giving angry interviews to the press to defend myself 
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06-03-2013, 07:00 PM
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 MAybe it was bearable because she had Charles to support her.
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06-03-2013, 07:09 PM
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Well, Charles really like to look good and he likes his wives to look good too. Charles had mentioned in an interview that he took a great deal of interest in Diana's clothes and I'm sure it's the same with Camilla.
Camilla had a very shabby look back in the 90's. Her fashion has improved along with her confidence in her royal role.
Camilla had her friends to deal with the media back in the day.
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What a lovely image, Prince Charles is such a gentleman, he is a great role model for all men in how to treat a lady (or any woman) the right way-nice gesture and very classy |
I agree. Those are the little things our mother taught my brothers and me about how to treat a lady properly. However I have been made well aware in real life and on these forums that there are some women who find such gestures sexist and offensive. Sometimes you just can't win
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06-03-2013, 07:28 PM
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Well, Charles really like to look good and he likes his wives to look good too. Charles had mentioned in an interview that he took a great deal of interest in Diana's clothes and I'm sure it's the same with Camilla.
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I completely agree with your observations, Prince Charles has changed both Diana and Camilla´s image in a very positive way, he had a good influence on them and he has thought them a lot.
It is very funny, but sometimes I look at Camilla´s clothes and I think to myself "That´s nice, I also want this style" even though I am much younger than her ;-)
What I like about her style is that she choses nice materials, muted colours and delicate ornaments. Nothing too fussy,but very elegant and nice,especially with her creative hats and the precious jewellery that she wears now.
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06-03-2013, 07:36 PM
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I agree. Those are the little things our mother taught my brothers and me about how to treat a lady properly. However I have been made well aware in real life and on these forums that there are some women who find such gestures sexist and offensive. Sometimes you just can't win |
Well, I think it depends on the degree of friendship or relationship you have,that makes a lot of difference. On the work place it is better not to use such old ways of "helping" women because it may make us feel treated like a child, but at private occasions it is very nice when we get treated like a princess 
Thomas Schäfer-Elmayer teaches his pupils that when you go to a ball or any event where ladies wear high heels and big gowns that are very long and sometimes cause rather undignified accidents,the man should go behind the lady when you walk up the stairs and than he should go in front so that he can always catch her before she falls...it may seem funny,but such a fall can sometimes be very dangerous and for the lady very embarassing,that´s why the man should try to help and be of use in such tricky situations.
What should be ok all the time:Holding up doors or helping women over obstacles and dangerous walk-ways like Prince Charles does in the picture 
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