The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1001  
Old 06-04-2012, 11:35 PM
Roslyn's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Tintenbar, Australia
Posts: 2,649
As someone who has always been a fan of both Charles and Camilla, it makes me very happy to read that so many people have changed their opinions of Charles and Camilla since their marriage. Camilla's warmth and charm and her ability to bring out the best in Charles have done the trick. The Charles we see now is the one we knew and liked when he was a young man. I loved his weather report.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1002  
Old 06-05-2012, 12:35 AM
HRHHermione's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Boston, United States
Posts: 2,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roslyn View Post
As someone who has always been a fan of both Charles and Camilla, it makes me very happy to read that so many people have changed their opinions of Charles and Camilla since their marriage. Camilla's warmth and charm and her ability to bring out the best in Charles have done the trick. The Charles we see now is the one we knew and liked when he was a young man. I loved his weather report.
You know, I completely agree. I think time is finally beginning to heal a lot of old wounds, and with that comes a much brighter future for the monarchy.

Prince Charles has been downright charming as of late, and hopefully that's changing minds and hearts. And Camilla does a wonderful job supporting him, and there's no doubt in my mind that she'll make a wonderful Queen Consort when the time comes.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1003  
Old 06-05-2012, 06:05 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,123
Diamond Jubilee concert: Camilla joins front row of royal box | Mail Online
Quote:
Royal seal of approval: Camilla's acceptance complete as she is invited to sit with the Queen in 1902 State Landau in place of Prince Philip for Diamond Jubilee carriage procession

Prince Charles and Camilla have been asked to accompany the Queen in her carriage as Prince Philip recovers from infection in hospital
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #1004  
Old 06-05-2012, 06:08 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425
I hate this article, it's in the worst traditions of DM "journalism".
Camilla is the wife of the Prince of Wales, a Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall: where else should she be?
Reply With Quote
  #1005  
Old 06-05-2012, 06:10 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemisia View Post
I hate this article, it's in the worst traditions of DM "journalism".
Camilla is the wife of the Prince of Wales, a Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall: where else should she be?
I actually think it's a wonderful comparison article of how Camilla has been accepted into the family. The Queen could have asked William to sit in the carriage as he is the next in line (what with the generation thing).
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #1006  
Old 06-05-2012, 06:18 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumutqueen View Post
I actually think it's a wonderful comparison article of how Camilla has been accepted into the family. The Queen could have asked William to sit in the carriage as he is the next in line (what with the generation thing).
Well, it has certainly changed a bit since I read it yesterday. There was a lot more of the "past" back then, and they had even confused Sophie with Diana in that 2002(!) picture. In any case, I think those articles in the line of before and after are not helping at all.
Reply With Quote
  #1007  
Old 06-05-2012, 06:23 AM
Lumutqueen's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlton, York, United Kingdom
Posts: 17,123
I do think everyone is trying to get information out as quickly as possible just to make sure people read it, the first thanksgiving article was out within two minutes of it starting. Everyone makes typing errors but I can understand the urgency.
__________________
We Will Remember Them.
Reply With Quote
  #1008  
Old 06-08-2012, 03:42 PM
Tsar bobo Iv's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: knoxville, United States
Posts: 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by sesa View Post
Well, he must be nibbiling on his nose, cause he still has quite a bit to bite off!
LOL that was a good one
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1009  
Old 06-08-2012, 05:28 PM
CanRoyal's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: West Coast, Canada
Posts: 251
While I think the seating arrangements in the carriages for the Diamond Jubilee was fine, IMO a better seating arrangement would have been Prince Charles seated beside the Queen, and opposite them, Camilla and Harry. William and Kate behind them in the 2nd carriage.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1010  
Old 06-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,490
I have read elsewhere that the done thing is for ladies to face the front and so Camilla sat beside The Queen.

There is no way Harry rides in that carriage as he simply isn't senior enough in the family - and as soon as Kate has a child he will drop in seniority to 4th etc.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1011  
Old 06-09-2012, 09:27 PM
CanRoyal's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: West Coast, Canada
Posts: 251
^Oh, I totally agree - and I stated as much in my previous post. I am in agreement with how the seating arrangements were handled on the actual day.

However - bending protocol and tradition is sometimes called for...like when Diana died (and the Queen returned to London - under pressure from the public - before she actually intended to return to London).

I think the monarchy would have been better served if Charles (next King) had been photographed on such a historic occasion next to the Queen. (And either Camilla rode opposite them or opposite them with Harry).

Charles is making inroads on the general public accepting him (I am not speaking here of people like you or I who follow royalty, but those of the general public that are only aware of the Prince of Wales in a very vague way). Charles received good - and wide - publicity lately with his weather forecast, his touching speech at the concert, and his delighted and warm reactions to watching the 'old' films and photos of the Queen. These opportunities will not occur again.

So I think there was a missed opportunity to present - and capitalize - on Charles in a yet another good and positive light (the next King riding beside the current Queen on the occasion of her Diamond Jubilee).

To restate: I understand the protocol - and think it's fine - that the seating in the carriages was handled the way it was. However, I think it would've better served the monarchy if Charles had ridden beside the Queen. Anyway, I'm digressing a bit from the forum topic, so better if I state future views on this in the more correct forum. :)
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1012  
Old 06-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles CA, United States
Posts: 1,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanRoyal View Post
[...] bending protocol and tradition is sometimes called for...like when Diana died (and the Queen returned to London - under pressure from the public - before she actually intended to return to London).

I think the monarchy would have been better served if Charles (next King) had been photographed on such a historic occasion next to the Queen. (And either Camilla rode opposite them or opposite them with Harry).

[...] I think there was a missed opportunity to present - and capitalize - on Charles in a yet another good and positive light (the next King riding beside the current Queen on the occasion of her Diamond Jubilee).
Totally agree. A missed opportunity. I really like Camilla so its not about that at all. It seemed like a perfect time to really show the transition to come. (I was surprised at how frail the Queen appeared at certain moments during the events - there are certain junctures in aging when the process speeds up exponentially and I think that has begun for her).

One question (and I know its a bit of a threadnap but maybe someone can answer this very quickly in one post): I noticed in the video that Charles, William and Harry were all wearing top-hats. In the video I saw of the carriages, Charles was tipping his hat quite a bit - so antique and so charming - but neither William nor Harry were doing so. I was trying to figure out why Charles was doing it - but if he was doing it why wasn't William or Harry doing it? Charles has a very distinguished look these days in full-dress, almost from another time, reminds me of newsreels of the Tzar and older Kings from the late 1800's. He definitely has the specific genetic 'look' of his line. I keep wondering who he is reminding me of.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1013  
Old 06-09-2012, 11:39 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 185
@tyger I was wondering about that hat thing myself, and I loved the tipping of the hat. I think Charles is looking really fine these days, He seems to have grown into his body.

I saw the Queen the next day with PM Harper, and she looked very good, not as frail, it may have been just the long days.

Oh and to get in back on topic. I love watching Charles and Camilla, there is something about them that intrigues me, and I am just a bit older than Willam, but for some reason He and Kate don't intrigue me as much. There is just something about C & C that captures me.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1014  
Old 06-09-2012, 11:54 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Melbourne & Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3,983
Charles is a 'progressive Edwardian' at heart and that is something that endears me too him. His manner, charm and style. One very suave fellow.
__________________

"Dressing is a way of life" - Monsieur Saint Laurent
Reply With Quote
  #1015  
Old 06-10-2012, 12:41 AM
CanRoyal's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: West Coast, Canada
Posts: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyger View Post
...Totally agree. A missed opportunity. I really like Camilla so its not about that at all. It seemed like a perfect time to really show the transition to come. (I was surprised at how frail the Queen appeared at certain moments during the events - there are certain junctures in aging when the process speeds up exponentially and I think that has begun for her)....
Thank you for getting my point about it being a missed opportunity. At this stage of the game, it's all about Charles putting himself out there so that more and more of the public understands that he is a worthy successor to the crown. Increased acceptance of Camilla will follow.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1016  
Old 06-10-2012, 12:51 AM
XeniaCasaraghi's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: 1729 Noneofyourbusiness Drive, United States
Posts: 2,347
Hasn't there been previous jubilee celebrations where Charles was photographed next to his mother? He is often photographed with her, there was no need to change the rules for something so trivial as a photo op.
__________________
Princess Grace, April 19, 1956
Princess Margaret Rose, May 6, 1960
Crown Princess Mette-Marit, August 25, 2001
Jaqueline Bouvier Kennedy, September 12, 1953
Countess Stephanie of Belgium October 20, 2012
Reply With Quote
  #1017  
Old 06-10-2012, 02:58 AM
Iluvbertie's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Bathurst, Australia
Posts: 8,490
Yes Charles has been photographed beside his mother many times but...there has been an increasing call for a cut-down royal family and this was a chance to show that that is what is happening (insulting to those who have worked for The Queen for the past 60 years of course). This was a clear sign of the BRF, and The Queen in particular, listening to the public and saying loudly - the future of the family is just these few and the rest aren't wanted or needed. It is the message that the public want - William and Harry only in their generation with Charles in his.

Remember that Charles' brothers are largely despised by the public along with Beatrice and Eugenie so they aren't wanted by either the public or Charles. The public only want Diana's sons - sad but true.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1018  
Old 06-10-2012, 03:13 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles CA, United States
Posts: 1,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdngirl View Post
@tyger I was wondering about that hat thing myself, and I loved the tipping of the hat. I think Charles is looking really fine these days. He seems to have grown into his body.
What a perfect way of putting it. Its true. We forget that just like we grow and are not the body we were at 10 when we are 20 - we do not see the body as continuing a maturation but rather a degeneration - when its not the case. I have long felt this - seen it that way. If we maintain health, eat well, sustain our flexibility and physical endurance, the body matures into something quite beautiful. Anyway, he's become handsome in a way he was not, I don't think, when he was younger. Just my opinion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cdngirl View Post
I love watching Charles and Camilla, there is something about them that intrigues me, and I am just a bit older than Willam, but for some reason He and Kate don't intrigue me as much. There is just something about C & C that captures me.
I agree. Very engaging. They are comfortable to watch.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame Royale View Post
Charles is a 'progressive Edwardian' at heart and that is something that endears me too him. His manner, charm and style. One very suave fellow.
Yes! But who does he look like? He looks like someone.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1019  
Old 06-10-2012, 03:31 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Melbourne & Sydney, Australia
Posts: 3,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyger View Post

Yes! But who does he look like? He looks like someone.
I'm not sure Tyger, who does he remind you of? :)

I can't think of anyone myself. To me, he just looks like Charles. Unmistakable Charles!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
Remember that Charles' brothers are largely despised by the public along with Beatrice and Eugenie so they aren't wanted by either the public or Charles.
And you announce this as fact with the support of what credible information?

More is needed than the possibility of Charles rather practically downsizing the extended family's future representative role amongst the community I'm affraid. It makes sense to 'downgrade' but it speaks nothing of his personal feelings towards his family members and no one here is in a position to state otherwise.

As for the public despising his brothers and York nieces, that is sure to be an exaggerated statement. I don't think public sentiment is in any way as strong for his brothers as it is for himself or his own family, but there is no indication that the public "despise" them. More or less they are regarded with indifference on the whole.
__________________

"Dressing is a way of life" - Monsieur Saint Laurent
Reply With Quote
  #1020  
Old 06-10-2012, 03:53 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles CA, United States
Posts: 1,075
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame Royale View Post
I'm not sure Tyger, who does he remind you of? :)
Someone in his genetic line. The term Progressive Edwardian - is it someone from the Edwardian era? Anyway, he looks distinguished in a way that is from another time - and I think that is partly to do with all the uniforms and the forms he is embedded in. He's going to be snapping in his coronation robes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame Royale View Post
I can't think of anyone myself. To me, he just looks like Charles. Unmistakable Charles!
Well, of course, that is true. He is his own self defined by all he has done and suffered and survived and learned - and come out the other side.

Luckily, he had someone who could meet him on terms agreeable to both he and her. I think that has made all the difference for him. IMO that is crucial for a man to have. I'll also say that were he to not have married Camilla, I think he would have re-married eventually. It was inevitable. That it was Camilla - that she agreed to take it all on in the face of everything - is a small miracle.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Madame Royale View Post
More is needed than the possibility of Charles rather practically downsizing the extended family's future representative role amongst the community I'm afraid. It makes sense to 'downgrade' but it speaks nothing of his personal feelings towards his family members and no one here is in a position to state otherwise.

As for the public despising his brothers and York nieces, that is sure to be an exaggerated statement. I don't think public sentiment is in any way as strong for his brothers as it is for himself or his own family, but there is no indication that the public "despise" them. More or less they are regarded with indifference on the whole.
I agree - and who knows what the future may bring? The BRF may morph again as the years wear on and Charles ascends the throne. It will be a different time. One never knows. Flexibility will be the key. I think as Beatrice and Eugenie mature - particularly as they marry and begin families, following stable lives - and as Edward's children mature and marry and do the same - we may find something new developing. Just a hunch.

One last thing - I don't think people really understand all the subtle 'messages' of who is in or out or whatever - except on this forum and others like it with people who make royalty a hobby. Just how clueless Americans are about the BRF was demonstrated in a back-and-forth between some commentators on a show called 'Firing Line' a day or so ago. Unless the guys were giving the woman commentator (who knew all the relationships) a jibe (which is possible given the nature of the show). In mentioning the Queen's Jubilee there were questions about exactly who everyone was, like who was William, who was Harry - was he also the grandson of the Queen and who was he then the son of - stuff I'm sure any Brit would hear in disbelief.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
camilla, duchess of cornwall, marriage, prince charles, prince of wales


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince felipe crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit current events duchess of cambridge dutch royal history fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta elena infanta sofia jewellery jordan kate middleton king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg nobility olympic games ottoman poland pom president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince felipe prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess anita princess beatrix princess charlene princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary princess mary fashion princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden visit wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:11 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]