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Old 04-14-2012, 03:08 AM
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I'm of the opinion that we will never know what exactly went on; the same can be said of any of the so-called 'experts' who write about it. We can debate it until we're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that it's 2012, Charles and Camilla are evidently happily married and Camilla is being increasingly accepted and appreciated in her own right.

All that makes me hopeful, not only for C&C, but for the monarchy generally.
Well said. Does the past matter any longer when they are safely married nowadays and will master the future side by side?
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Old 04-14-2012, 04:32 AM
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So guys, back to 'The Marriage' . . . I think that it is going from strength to strength. Camilla and Charles seem to bring out the best in each other. They display wit and humour and exude a very down to earth persona as evidenced by the Scandanavian tour. All in all my Prince of Wales is a much happier man today than he was 10 years ago and 7 years of marriage has given us a really great Crown Princely Couple.

Agree totally. The last 7 years have seen Charles become a much happier and more settled Prince of Wales and thus a more settled future King. He has obviously enjoyed his tours and duties with and without Camilla, which says a lot about the state of the marriage and the homelife - he is comfortable both on and off duty and that shows. Camilla should be praised for giving us this change in our future monarch.
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So guys, back to 'The Marriage' . . . I think that it is going from strength to strength. Camilla and Charles seem to bring out the best in each other. They display wit and humour and exude a very down to earth persona as evidenced by the Scandanavian tour. All in all my Prince of Wales is a much happier man today than he was 10 years ago and 7 years of marriage has given us a really great Crown Princely Couple.
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Agree totally. The last 7 years have seen Charles become a much happier and more settled Prince of Wales and thus a more settled future King. He has obviously enjoyed his tours and duties with and without Camilla, which says a lot about the state of the marriage and the homelife - he is comfortable both on and off duty and that shows. Camilla should be praised for giving us this change in our future monarch.
Well said, both of you . I've noticed the happiness and ease in Charles since his second marriage as well. He's definitely smiling and laughing a lot more. Camila is indeed bringing out the best in this man, whom so few seem to be able to understand, and that's wonderful. Not all of us are lucky enough to find a person that will see us and love us for ourselves, as well as understand and accept every quirk. From what I have seen, it would appear that this particular couple is indeed happy and very much in love. I also love the subtlety with which they display their affection for each other in public. Most of the time, it's done with a smile or a look, and that is plenty for us, observers. At times, a glance or a smile between two people say more than proclamations of love, or ostentatious gifts.
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So guys, back to 'The Marriage' . . . I think that it is going from strength to strength. Camilla and Charles seem to bring out the best in each other. They display wit and humour and exude a very down to earth persona as evidenced by the Scandanavian tour. All in all my Prince of Wales is a much happier man today than he was 10 years ago and 7 years of marriage has given us a really great Crown Princely Couple.
It's really great to see them hit their stride and to display their mature affection for each other in so many subtle, tacit and outright ways. Charles is definitely the man he was meant to be with Camilla, and to see their relationship in action has brought about an amazing turnaround in public conception that might make them the envy of many a married couple or those in a longstanding relationship who would like to know the secret of what makes theirs "tick."
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but wasn't Charles very upset after he found out Camilla got married? I think he wrote a letter to his uncle Dickie saying he had nobody in England waiting for him and that he hoped the emptiness he felt would eventually pass. he must have loved her if he said such things
Yes you are right. Jonathan Dimbleby’s biography of Charles (1994), which is the only biography of Charles and Camilla to use extracts from Charles’s diaries and letters quotes (p.191) from a confidential letter sent from Antigua 27 April 1973 (just after returning from 1 week’s shore leave with Mountbatten on isle of Eleuthera) that he “had just learned” that Camilla had consented to marry Andrew Parker Bowles and that it seemed particularly cruel to him that after “such a blissful, peaceful and mutually happy relationship” fate had decreed that it should last a mere six months, with “no one” to go back to in England. [I stressed the mutually deliberately]. Furthermore another letter (p.184) written to Mountbatten a couple of weeks before Xmas in December 1972 just after Charles saw Camilla for last time before embarked on HMS Minerva quotes him writing sadly about it being “the last time I shall see her for 8 months” [i.e. he was fully intending to continue his relationship with her when he returned in August 1973]. 6 months before this letter (when according to PC’s letter he first met & fell for Camilla} brings us to early June 1972 when (pp.182-183) he was at a land-based Naval establishment HMS Mercury in Petersfield (Hants) only 5-6 miles away from Camilla’s grandmother’s house in East Meon, where they had meetings on several occasions, and close to a number of polo fields where they could easily have been introduced by the couple’s mutual school/university friend Lucia de Sta Cruz. Charles was less than 25 yrs old and according to the Royal Marriage Act (as amended in 1956) he could not get engaged without the Queen’s agreement. Between June 1972 and December 1972 he had no opportunity even to introduce her to the Queen as he was on a whole succession of naval courses to bring him up to speed on navigation (pp.182-184) before he set off on the 8 month tour of duty in Caribbean and South America. According to a friend of APB (who later related the story to Tina Brown 2007) APB was surprised to find his engagement to Camilla announced in the Times in spring 1973 as was his friend. This may explain why Camilla never wrote to tell Prince Charles of the engagement as it was hurriedly arranged so that they were married a month before Charles returned from his naval tour. So there are ways of knowing what actually went on. As a trained historian I prefer to believe the documentation rather than trust to my own experience of life and love.
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Very interesting complilation of sources. Camilla has shown herself to be a very wise woman and in all probability (and on looking back) her choice was the right one for her, considering the circumstances and that in that day and age Charles would be discouraged from marrying her while she herself did not crave the limelight at all. Especially as Charles at that time was a young officer who had a much more carefree life than he would have had after he married. My personal belief is that Charles and Camilla had formed a friendship coming form the heart and soul, but not necessarily from the body at first. At least not while her marriage to APB worked. And then he was married, too. But that she offered him a warm heart and hearth when both their marriages became strained.

Which could have worked out if Diana had accepted that while she could not make the man happy, she could be a good and loyal teampartner of The Prince. But she went public with her story and ended not only her marriage, but that of the Parker-Bowles as well.

I am really glad that they could finally tie the knot and live in the public eye as the best of friends who are married as well, so he could share all his Earthly Goods asn his social position with her openly while I'm still not convinced she ever craved to be more than Charles' nearest and dearest in private.

But: their bond is so strong and so reliable and she has proven that she is perfectly capable of teaming up with him as his Royal spouse that I strongly believ these two were meant for each other, but that Camilla is still thankful for the quiet years she had as the neither famous nor infamous Mrs. Parker Bowles but just as an Army wife with kids.
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Before we go off-topic too far in the reverse direction, please note that much of this material is covered in the thread C&C love story - the early days (1970-1973).

While some cross-referencing is unavoidable in terms of providing back story and perspective, could members please keep the focus of this thread on Charles and Camilla post-2005.

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Charles and Camilla seem to be a well-matched couple, but tabloids love to target them; it's anything to make a dollar with the tabloids.
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I used to dislike Camilla (and didn't care for Charles much either), but over the years my feelings have changed. I have really come to like them both. Especially Camilla. She seems like such a warm, fun person and I've come to see that they are a great match.
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They were, always, a match, that is the sad thing. So, many others got bloodied in the interim.
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I used to dislike Camilla (and didn't care for Charles much either), but over the years my feelings have changed. I have really come to like them both. Especially Camilla. She seems like such a warm, fun person and I've come to see that they are a great match.
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They were, always, a match, that is the sad thing. So, many others got bloodied in the interim.
Agree they always seemed to be a good match. As for the next over-dramatic sentence, some of the wounds were self-inflicted.
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I used to dislike Camilla (and didn't care for Charles much either), but over the years my feelings have changed. I have really come to like them both. Especially Camilla. She seems like such a warm, fun person and I've come to see that they are a great match.
I'll second that. I didn't start out being a huge fan of either of them, but now I respect and like them quite a lot.
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Agree they always seemed to be a good match. As for the next over-dramatic sentence, some of the wounds were self-inflicted.
I would agree with you that some (all) of Charles' "wounds" were self inflicted.
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They were, always, a match, that is the sad thing. So, many others got bloodied in the interim.
Well put, and my sentiments exactly. I look at their relationship in a bittersweet way, glad that they're together but knowing that many others were hurt along the way.
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Well put, and my sentiments exactly. I look at their relationship in a bittersweet way, glad that they're together but knowing that many others were hurt along the way.

Including both of them - people do seem to think that they weren't also hurt with the way things worked out - yes they hurt others but they themselves were also hurt.
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The most important people who were hurt were the 4 kids.
They've grown and have found happiness and fulfillment despite their parents public private lives. I especially recall reading that Laura once yelled at Charles over the phone and Tom had it really bad at school. We may never know how, but somehow Camilla got her kids through that time.
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Back to the 2005 onwards it is clear that those hurt and alive have moved on and seem to be quite well adjusted and happy now and it is most obvious that Charles has a wife who gives him support and doesn't try to upstage him - which is exactly right.

As for the weather broadcast thing - I think Charles showed that he has a wonderful sense of humour to a wider audience than those of us who have been his fans forever (we have always known that he had a sense of humour and a dry wit). His father has always been the same and Harry has also inherited that same ability from Charles. More and more I see Charles in both William and Harry - their personalities, their actions and their looks.
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Britons want Prince Charles and Camilla on throne - National Royal News | Examiner.com

Interesting, the gradual change in perception I attribute to going about their duties and to patience. The fact that both of Charles' sons accept Camilla, and now Catherine seems to get along very well w/ her certainly helps as well.
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Camilla has implemented a lot of change in perception due to performing these duties with diligence, warmth and down-to-earth humor. She's won a lot of people over by her support of Charles and consequently the positive changes we've seen in him since their marriage. I'm sure people can't help but think that she'd be a consort worthy to sit beside him when he ascends the throne.
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