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Old 04-12-2012, 08:18 PM
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. . . . . Sometimes, though, I wish Charles would demonstrate to both supporters and detractors that he, at least, is glad he ended up with Camilla, that he is proud of her, and happy to have her at his side. . . . .
I think he called her his "Darling Wife" during this tour....
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Last bit I'll say on the matter, truth be said - I'm looking for any crack, crevice - anything - that gives me hope.
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. . . . . I agree with your wail, Marge - I even thought my posting the question started bad stuff in the DM. I trust it didn't.
Ah, the subtlety of sarcasm! But never mind, most of us seem focused on the "up" side and a slew of photo's to boot. In point of fact, my post was not about you personally, but if you look back on your posts and feel it fits, then that's OK too.

However, I think it is important to focus on what is actually happening, not extrapolating theories on the condition of the marriage from a snap or two. Or, to coin a phrase you made;
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. . . . . But, I do think I saw the '7-year malaise' in the Scandinavian Tour. (Saying this does not make Charles a bad person or Camilla - its just an observation that I am wondering if anyone else sees, too). . . . .
It is speculation at it's worst and that is when we fall into the same gaping hole that is the Mail et al.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:31 PM
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Look, Charles loves this woman, dumpy, frumpy and bad teeth. And to this end that is admirable. He is in love with his wife, which many royals cannot say, especially from the past, including his father. They are a love match, like it or not.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:33 PM
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So true, Countess. In the long run, he's with the woman he loves and she's beautiful in his eyes. They fulfill each other. That's all that matters, and who are we to judge? But Philip has always been in love with HM, or am I misunderstanding your post?
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This isn't the site, but Philip has loved HM, but not quite the way Charles feels about Camilla. HM has, always adored Philip, but he has had a roving eye for many years, of course not now. She tolerated this and I suspect that is why she never understood Diana. Please, forgive me admins.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:48 PM
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The first part of your message makes me . This is not said in a mocking manner, so please don't get upset.
No offense taken. Thank you for recognizing that I was making a joke. Thank you.

And peace to everyone.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:58 PM
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No offense taken. Thank you for recognizing that I was making a joke. Thank you.
Always a pleasure . A sense of humor is a valuable asset to have, and you have a great deal of it I think this thread needed a little lightheartedness, since the discussion was getting a bit heated.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:44 AM
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I'm not sure this was made by a member of TRF or if all of you have seen it before, but it's absolutely fantastic! it's great to watch especially if you think Charles does not make his feelings towards Camilla clear enough. there are many pics I have never seen before vdeo shows how much these two love each other :)
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:09 PM
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AWWWWWWWWWWWWW! That is just lovely.
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:38 PM
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It says, "This video contains content from WMG which has blocked it from your country: :-(
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:31 PM
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I just realized that on my computer at least, the videos run better and can be magnified more if you search the titles directly in YouTube and look at them that way. There are others there, too.
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Old 04-13-2012, 02:30 PM
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These video's really point out the injustice that was done to Charles when he was not allowed to marry Camilla in the first place.
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These video's really point out the injustice that was done to Charles when he was not allowed to marry Camilla in the first place.
Hmmm, risking something here: there is a narrative, very much put forth by Charles' first wife, that there was a 'first place'.

Charles never had an opportunity to marry Camilla earlier than he did. Camilla was in love with Andrew Parker-Bowles - who was quite a catch at the time apparently. She married Andrew and had the kind of life she wanted - not royal.

To my mind, Camilla and Andrew became a couple that were close friends to Charles but when the 'in love' happened only Charles and Camilla can say - but I suspect it happened far later and was a function of age and not youth. What we are witness to is far more than 'in love' - it is love of the best kind, a good friendship (as well as anything else it might be).
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Old 04-13-2012, 02:51 PM
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The understanding that I had was that she was not considered to be a suitable bride for a future king. I think the attraction was always there, but forbidden by the powers that be. Camilla was not good enough and Charles was encouraged to play the field and not settle down too young. Then she got tired of waiting for him and married Andrew. Of course, I don't have proof of this. It was a long time ago.
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I recognize what you say - not sure who was saying it and to whom. Charles had many girls circling him - I'm not sure Camilla was seen as 'serious' at all by anyone at the time. She was involved with Andrew Parker-Bowles - and one can see why - back then he was very dashing, more so than Charles imo. It was Andrew she was keen on marrying it seems - no matter what others may have been saying about her suitability for Charles. When Charles left the picture by going to sea, she was married very quickly.

This is, of course, the crucial point of the Charles/Camilla narrative: have they been 'in love' since day-1 and were cruelly kept apart, or did they discover love with each other after a lifetime with others? I am inclined to favor the latter scenario - given what I know of my own youth and what I was able to recognize or not recognize at an early age.
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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but wasn't Charles very upset after he found out Camilla got married? I think he wrote a letter to his uncle Dickie saying he had nobody in England waiting for him and that he hoped the emptiness he felt would eventually pass. he must have loved her if he said such things
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I'm of the opinion that we will never know what exactly went on; the same can be said of any of the so-called 'experts' who write about it. We can debate it until we're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that it's 2012, Charles and Camilla are evidently happily married and Camilla is being increasingly accepted and appreciated in her own right.

All that makes me hopeful, not only for C&C, but for the monarchy generally.
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The understanding that I had was that she was not considered to be a suitable bride for a future king. I think the attraction was always there, but forbidden by the powers that be. Camilla was not good enough and Charles was encouraged to play the field and not settle down too young. Then she got tired of waiting for him and married Andrew. Of course, I don't have proof of this. It was a long time ago.

That is what I always thought too.
Charles was supposed to marry a titled virgin (things were stricter back then) and many of the women he knew simply didn't qualify.

But times have changed, and standards changed with them.
Now even divorce, once unthinkable, is acceptable under certain circumstances. (Poor Princess Margaret, born too soon!)
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:48 PM
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I think back then, the relationship between Charles and Camilla is very much reflected in their relationship now. As often happens with young adults in their 20s, they have an intimate group of friends. Camilla did always have her sights set on Andrew Parker-Bowles and was at the same time very close to Charles. Andrew at this time was also dating Anne. Although there was talk about Camilla perhaps not being "suitable", I don't think it really entered either Charles' or Camilla's mind that they would marry. This is reflected in the relationship between Charles and the Parker-Bowles after their marriage. They were always close friends and I think if we look now, Anne, Andrew and Charles and Camilla still remain on very amicable terms.

It was a long standing intimate friendship with Camilla that Charles treasured so much over the years and who he turned to when he needed someone to be there for him when all else seemed to be falling apart. Its the reason why I think that they are so happy and comfortable with each other now. Sometimes the close bonds of best friends make for the happiest marital relationships. Strife in the marriage? Of course they're going to have their "I don't like you much right now" times... all couples have them but I really think these two have a very solid bond that will stand up to just about anything.
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Thank you Mary R!!! That worked.

They are so connected and happy. He seems like a much warmer man these days.
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