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Old 12-31-2011, 03:18 AM
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Over the past 20yrs "what does Charles see in Camilla" has usually been about the looks, so I get where the person was coming from. I admit that during my Camilla hating days I couldn't see it either. It would be nice to say that Charles looked passed the physical, but when he met Camilla she was rather attractive though definitely not as pretty as Diana. There has to be something enduring to her to keep Charles around for so long and have him fight to make her his wife. Plus the fact that she is on such friendly terms with her ex-husband that she invites him and the woman he cheated on her with, to her wedding to the man she cheated with.
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They loved each other in their youth, but apparently Charles was not ready for marriage when Camilla was. For whatever reason Camilla chose not to wait for him to be ready & married someone else. Charles later made a marriage for dynastic reasons to a very young woman, too young (at 19) to know what she was truly getting into. That Charles at some point in time (either before or after his marriage) rekindled a relationship with a married woman was wrong, period, for both Charles and Camilla. That Diana strayed outside the marriage, even if it was an unhappy one, was also wrong.

There is fault to be found all round. At this point, why try to portion it out to see who carries the most? Charles & Camilla have loved each other for years, finally got married, & are happy. Diana also made her choices in life as she matured (& don't get me wrong, I am a Diana fan & still admire her) and died a tragic death. If she had lived, loved again, remarried, and been happy, would people still 'hate' Camilla? I doubt it.

Let Diana rest in peace. Let Charles & Camilla be happy.
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Old 12-31-2011, 11:59 AM
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They loved each other in their youth, but apparently Charles was not ready for marriage when Camilla was.
But also, Camilla wanted to marry Mr Parker-Bowles. Even had Charles asked Camilla to marry him its an open question if she would have said yes. It was Parker-Bowles she wanted - and got.

Also, its been an impression I have that Camilla has never wanted a life 'in the spotlight'. She was someone very content with her life in the country - and IMO she would happily still be living that life had not events moved to propel her into her current role. I suspect that Camillia was not 'in love' with Charles early on - and potentially not even Charles was - like she would be later on when events moved to throw them back together.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:05 PM
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They loved each other in their youth, but apparently Charles was not ready for marriage when Camilla was...
Thank you. This is such a reasonable, rational post and I am so glad to see it. I have to say that I agree with your every point and think you expressed them well. I kinda figure that if Diana's sons can still love their mother but also have affection and respect for their step-mother, then why can't everyone else? I just don't get why it HAS to be either Diana or Camilla at this late date.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:38 PM
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As for living in separate houses, that's just a matter of personal space. Not all married couples want to be together 24/7/365. I remember reading that Charles like his space, so Camilla gives him that by going and visiting her children, or what have you. I think the ability to be apart from one's spouse is a sign of a healthy relationship, where both partners are not co-dependant on one another and are able to function and have their own individual interests.
If guys can have their "man caves," so can females so good for Camilla hanging onto her house as her own sanctuary where she can experience a break from royal life and entertain her family.

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Old 12-31-2011, 03:01 PM
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If guys can have their "man caves," so can females so good for Camilla hanging onto her house as her own sanctuary where she can experience a break from royal life and entertain her family.
Plus, we must remember she spent a significant portion of her life in that house- her children grew up there, and I'm sure there are sentimental attachments to it. Obviously, finances are not a problem and she had no real financial reason to sell the house, so why shouldn't she keep it if it makes her happy and her children happy?
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No, I wouldn't be quick to give up my property either if I could afford it and if it has sentimental attachment for me. At least Camilla can still experience some level of normalcy away from royal life at her little oasis. And it's always healthy to have some time and indulge in a certain amount of separate interests from your spouse.
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Old 12-31-2011, 05:41 PM
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Plus, we must remember she spent a significant portion of her life in that house- her children grew up there, and I'm sure there are sentimental attachments to it. Obviously, finances are not a problem and she had no real financial reason to sell the house, so why shouldn't she keep it if it makes her happy and her children happy?
I thought she bought Ray Mill after her divorce from Andrew.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:31 PM
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I thought she bought Ray Mill after her divorce from Andrew.
Perhaps I'm mistaken. I was only assuming that was the case.

Either way, I think she's well within her rights to keep her property and enjoy it and I don't think it says anything negative about her marriage.
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Old 12-31-2011, 09:14 PM
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Thank you. This is such a reasonable, rational post and I am so glad to see it. I have to say that I agree with your every point and think you expressed them well. I kinda figure that if Diana's sons can still love their mother but also have affection and respect for their step-mother, then why can't everyone else? I just don't get why it HAS to be either Diana or Camilla at this late date.
Totally agree and what I can't understand is if someone is such a fan that it implies they don't like William and Harry, despite their 'idol' loving them so much.
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Old 12-31-2011, 11:37 PM
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Totally agree and what I can't understand is if someone is such a fan that it implies they don't like William and Harry, despite their 'idol' loving them so much.
Okay, now that's totally nuts! I can't even begin to imagine not liking the two young men, especially if one was/is a Diana fan. Maybe the answer lies in the fact that the word "fan" stems from the word "fanatic." And maybe that little factoid also explains a lot about the whole, let's just say, overly enthusiastic fandom that exists for some people. It's a thought anyways. :)
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So the church of England does not acknowledge divorce? I never knew that. Thanks
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Perhaps I'm mistaken. I was only assuming that was the case.

Either way, I think she's well within her rights to keep her property and enjoy it and I don't think it says anything negative about her marriage.
Actually with Camilla retaining Ray Mill as a bolt hole, I see it as a positive in their marriage. This is a couple that have retained a very close intimate friendship spanning some 4 decades and after they married in 2005, they knew each other inside and out and love and respect each other's little quirks. Charles likes his solitude and peace and quiet and with Camilla off at Ray Mill filling the house with her children and grandchildren, its a win-win situation.

Many older couples (I'm among them) don't have that option but I'm sure the majority would vouch that they'd love time away from each other now and then. That is really one thing that I sorely miss with having my hubby retire.. my alone time.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:53 AM
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I'm sure any home (palace etc) that Prince Charles lives in would have plenty of room for his wife to have some "alone" time. To say otherwise is beyond belief.
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I'm sure any home (palace etc) that Prince Charles lives in would have plenty of room for his wife to have some "alone" time. To say otherwise is beyond belief.
She could also be retaining it as an inheritance/investment for her children. That makes sense as well- she'll want to leave her own legacy to them, and obviously they won't be in line to inherit anything that belongs to Charles and the Royal Family.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:10 AM
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The Church of England does acknowlege divorce.

In 2002 they even went so far as to allow divorced persons the right to marry in church - something they hadn't done to that time. They did put a caveat on that - that the two persons shouldn't have played any part in the breakdown of the previous marriage but that was left to the discretion of the minister concerned.

Had Charles and Camilla wanted to I am sure they could have found a minister who would marry them within the church - I know mine would have done so but then again he wouldn't have married Charles and Diana as he never believed they were right for each other and so wouldn't have felt right carrying out that service - again his right.

No a minister doesn't have to marry in the church to be a minister - they can marry in a CoE service, another christian service or a civil service.

The monarch is automatically the Supreme Governor of the Church of England - by law - a law passed in 1558 - the Act of Supremacy of Elizabeth I. It will take another Act of Parliament to change that position and title.

Charles and Camilla were married in a civil ceremony and then the Archbishop of Canterbury blessed the union - a practice that had been going on for decades for divorced persons before the 2002 changes.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:15 AM
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I'm sure any home (palace etc) that Prince Charles lives in would have plenty of room for his wife to have some "alone" time. To say otherwise is beyond belief.
Nope. I can vouch for what Osipi is saying. I have two older friends who have the means and are able to sustain independent abodes - not for always but for every now and again - totally one's own space. The arrangement that Charles and Camilla have come to - given they are wealthy - is very familiar to me. If you're young this may be inexplicable but once you get to a certain age other sensibilities prevail. It has nothing to do with there being a 'problem' in the relationship - if that's what you're suggesting.
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A Royal lifestyle is different from the lifestyle of the British Upper Class, not much in difference but still. A Royal is always surrounded by staff and has always to uphold a certain image. While at her own house, Camilla can be really private. Charles never had that kind of privacy, so he doesn't miss it but for her, I believe those days like the old ones are very precious.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:35 AM
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A Royal lifestyle is different from the lifestyle of the British Upper Class, not much in difference but still. A Royal is always surrounded by staff and has always to uphold a certain image. While at her own house, Camilla can be really private. Charles never had that kind of privacy, so he doesn't miss it but for her, I believe those days like the old ones are very precious.

Exactly - she has been used to being able to run her own house most of her adult life but with Charles is it different considering the number of staff etc.

The Queen has never known anything different than having lots of staff around her as well as has Philip.

Charles and Camilla will make a fine King and Queen - because he has been trained for the job by The Queen (unless you believe that she has failed in that important duty).
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