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Old 06-26-2017, 01:25 AM
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I too am an amateur astrologist, for over thirty years, have read hundreds of charts over the decades and I do get different things from Charles's chart than you obviously do.

Anyway, It was Charles who 'outed' Camilla PB, in the Dimbleby interview on TV, in June 1994. Following that public humiliation Andrew Parker Bowles ultimately began divorce proceedings (though of course he had known about the affair.) Diana's Panorama interview, in which she made the comment about 'three in the marriage' but didn't mention Camilla by name, occurred in November 1995.

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Old 06-26-2017, 02:45 AM
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Charles only confirmed what was already public knowledge about Camilla. He knew he couldn't lie about it. The rumours had been around for over a decade by then and the tapes were also in the public domain so hard to say 'nope' with the evidence already out there.

Diana first hinted at an ongoing affair in the Morton book and the press went looking although some had already mentioned her name even before the Morton book.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:13 AM
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It wasn't the Princess of Wales who 'named and shamed' Camilla to the general public however as Lady Nimue stated. It was Charles's Dimbleby interview and the Camillagate tapes that brought Camilla to public view, not the Morton book in which she isn't named as Charles's lover. It also spurred the PB divorce.
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Old 06-26-2017, 03:53 AM
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Diana DID out the affair Curry. It was not expliclity stated in Morton but it was made clear, Due to libel laws Morton had to be careful what he said but he made it quite obvious. Its true there were rumours about Camilla, but Diana's book confirmed that the Wales marriage was on the rocks...
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Old 06-26-2017, 05:42 AM
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One thing that remained consistent though from the early years is that even today, Charles, Camilla, Anne and Andrew Parker-Bowles remain close friends and are often seen with each other. Those friendships have survived all the ups and downs and the twists and turns of life.

For me, this is something that shows relationships between these people went a lot deeper than just bed hopping and sordid affairs and drama as you'd expect to see on some reality show. In some respects, it makes it easier for me to understand just how close knit Charles' inner circle of friends were and to a newly wed young bride, finding a niche where she belonged in it was a huge, daunting prospect and she mostly could have felt like an outsider looking in.

I know that even I would find it uncomfortable to be married to someone who had an already existing close circle of friends that I found not only totally different from myself but one my husband felt very at home with. It helps me to understand why Di had a huge "me vs. them" attitude when it came to Charles' free time and his friends.
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Old 06-27-2017, 01:26 AM
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One thing that remained consistent though from the early years is that even today, Charles, Camilla, Anne and Andrew Parker-Bowles remain close friends and are often seen with each other. Those friendships have survived all the ups and downs and the twists and turns of life.

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I know that even I would find it uncomfortable to be married to someone who had an already existing close circle of friends that I found not only totally different from myself but one my husband felt very at home with. It helps me to understand why Di had a huge "me vs. them" attitude when it came to Charles' free time and his friends.
well that's true I suppose. But at the time Diana was young, Charles was the POW, and he was the senior one and it was felt that she had to adapt to his life. I don't think he was trying to stop her seeing her own friends but he did problably expect her to try to get on with HIS set of friends. It rather shows that it was not a case of EVil Diana V Good Charles OR Evil Chas V Good Diana but just a group of people who make mistakes, do things wrong and struggle, like most of us do. I think that Charles and Cam had a lot In common, had a long history, and were close... and while I'm sure Charles has lost some friends in his life, he has a set who stick with him. HOw much is because of his position one can't say..
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:49 AM
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Posts discussing the new Camilla biography by Penny Junor have been moved to a new thread in the Royal Library:
'The Duchess: The Untold Story' by Penny Junor (2017) - The Duchess of Cornwall Bio

Several posts discussing the relationship between Charles and Diana have been moved to the following thread:
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Please keep this thread to the early years of Charles and Camilla's relationship - rehashing of the Charles-Diana-Camilla triangle will be deleted. It's all been said before, numerous times.
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Old 07-01-2017, 05:31 AM
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At the risk of going off-topic, Charles and Camilla were always a bit of an item! It was always there. Regardless of when the physical relationship resumed, far more potent was the emotional one. Diana got that.
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They started dating when Andrew was away, though, in Northern Ireland, I think. And when he returned Camilla resumed her pursuit of him. She was in love with Andrew, to her mother and siblings' mystification and was determined that they would marry.
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I think she was realistic and also in love with Andrew. She may have had a fondness for Charles and liked his company and his being a more gentle sensitive type than APB, but she knew that she would not get permission to marry him. And she herself possibly wasn't as "turned on" by him then as she was by her "bad boy" Andy. he was more of a challenge.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:01 AM
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Camilla's past was no more checkered that Anna Wallace's and Charles proposed to her. I think the whole thing about Charles marrying a woman with no past was more about PR and taking the path of least resistance (or so they thought) rather than if he wanted to marry a woman who had "a past" that the Queen and / or Parliament would refuse permission.

I think it boiled down to Charles was drawn to Camilla but was not ready to marry and he did not get the opportunity to get to the point of pursuing marriage with Camilla because Camilla, being more drawn to / in love with Andrew Parker Bowles along with not being interested in becoing part of the BRF and all that entailed, did not waity around for him.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:41 AM
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That's it in a nutshell. Camilla had pursued APB for years before she married him and was totally taken in with him. I've no doubt that her relationship with Charles before she married was a good, strong friendship but it wasn't something they ever though could or would lead to marriage.

The one thing that resulted from their relationship in the very beginning was a good, solid friendship that was to last through the decades through both Camilla's and Charles' marriages to other people. They connected at a level that Charles never really connected with anyone else other than maybe Dale "Kanga" Tryon.

Perhaps the way that things happened with C&C's relationship over the decades was, in the long run, the best way. When they did eventually marry, their relationship had already been on several levels, tested and tried and had its ups and downs and was on a very good, solid foundation before they said their "I dos". Its why the relationship is such a happy one today.
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Camilla's past was no more checkered that Anna Wallace's and Charles proposed to her. I think the whole thing about Charles marrying a woman with no past was more about PR and taking the path of least resistance (or so they thought) rather than if he wanted to marry a woman who had "a past" that the Queen and / or Parliament would refuse permission.

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No it was not about PR. it was a real concern. Othterwise given tat Charles preferred slightly older women who DID have experience and made him feel more comfrotable, why would he have chosen a much younger girl like Diana.
and Charles never proposed to Anna Wallace, that I've heard of. he proposed to Diana and to Amanda Knatchbull.. and obviously to Camilla later. That's all.
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Charles also proposed to Anna Wallace and according to some reports he proposed to her twice.

It may have been a "real concern" in that the BRF does not like to make waves nevertheless I stand by my point that it was not at the level that it was a given that a woman with "a past" would have not gotten the approval of the Queen or Parliament. My point being that if Camilla and Charles wanted to marry each other in the 1970s that Camilla having a past would not have been on par with Camilla being a Catholic or a divorcee. It was a PR thing, and supposedly when Louis Mountbatten was establishing the "no past" criterion, the rationale was that if a candidate had "a past" and the press got wind of it then they would run stories about the previous lovers / relationships, i.e., it was a PR problem.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:33 AM
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Just to clarify things. Camilla was never in her life Roman Catholic. She and Andrew married in a Catholic church and her children were raised Catholic but Camilla, herself, never converted from the Church of England.

Uncle "Dickie" Mountbatten was the person Charles listened to most when it came to relationships. Camilla and Charles spent quite a bit of time together at Broadlands back when they first met but Mountbatten didn't think that Camilla was "bride material" for Charles but rather good for sowing the wild oats.

The point is moot anyways because even if Charles had gone the "non negotiable" route back in the 70s with Camilla, the chances of Camilla turning down Charles' proposal was good. She had her cap set at Andrew PB.
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Charles also proposed to Anna Wallace and according to some reports he proposed to her twice.

It may have been a "real concern" in that the BRF does not like to make waves nevertheless I stand by my point that it was not at the level that it was a given that a woman with "a past" would have not gotten the approval of the Queen or Parliament. My point being that if Camilla and Charles wanted to marry each other in the 1970s that Camilla having a past would not have been on par with Camilla being a Catholic or a divorcee. It was a PR thing, and supposedly when Louis Mountbatten was establishing the "no past" criterion, the rationale was that if a candidate had "a past" and the press got wind of it then they would run stories about the previous lovers / relationships, i.e., it was a PR problem.
I don't know what you mean by a PR problem. of course the reasoning behnd the idea was that if a woman had a sexual past, tthe press would get hold of it, and it would run stories and be embarrassing. As we know from Davina Sheffield's boyfriend tattling to the papers..
which was why it was unlikely that a woman with a sexual past, like Cam would have been accepted by the queen as Charles' wife.
if she was a divorced woman the same would have applied because as the future governor of the C of E, Charles could not, then have married a divorced woman because it would look bad..and the C of E would be unhappy with it.
I have never heard of Charles' proposing to Anna Wallace. where did you read this story... because I don't believe that if he considered her as a serious candidate for his wife, he would have been so careless abuot her reputation that he would almost have been caught with her, in a semi naked state, outdoors.
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Just to clarify things. Camilla was never in her life Roman Catholic. She and Andrew married in a Catholic church and her children were raised Catholic but Camilla, herself, never converted from the Church of England.


The point is moot anyways because even if Charles had gone the "non negotiable" route back in the 70s with Camilla, the chances of Camilla turning down Charles' proposal was good. She had her cap set at Andrew PB.
yes Camilla wasn't a Catholic,. APB Was.
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I don't know what you mean by a PR problem. of course the reasoning behnd the idea was that if a woman had a sexual past, tthe press would get hold of it, and it would run stories and be embarrassing. As we know from Davina Sheffield's boyfriend tattling to the papers..
which was why it was unlikely that a woman with a sexual past, like Cam would have been accepted by the queen as Charles' wife.
if she was a divorced woman the same would have applied because as the future governor of the C of E, Charles could not, then have married a divorced woman because it would look bad..and the C of E would be unhappy with it.
I have never heard of Charles' proposing to Anna Wallace. where did you read this story... because I don't believe that if he considered her as a serious candidate for his wife, he would have been so careless abuot her reputation that he would almost have been caught with her, in a semi naked state, outdoors.
In all the sources I've read, there's been no mention of Charles proposing to Anna "Whiplash" Wallace. It was Anna that got overly fed up with Charles' behavior at times and stormed off on him.

The way Charles was raised and with people around him always conforming to what the prince wanted, Charles was rather an egocentric type of a person to date. Everything went according to his schedule and his pleasure and he couldn't fathom why Anna would get upset with him if he took her to a ball and danced with her once and spent the rest of the time dancing with Camilla.
This was a pattern he was to follow throughout all his relationships and most probably still figures into his relationship with Camilla today. Camilla knows Charles well enough to accept him as he is and is happy with the way things are and that's why it works so well for them.

He did propose to Amanda Knatchbull and she wisely turned him down. Although they got along good together and had a good relationship, as Amanda was known to have said, "there were no sparks there". I think that proposal came about mostly because Charles knew that it would have pleased Uncle Dickie.
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I have readt that it was her mother who said there was "no spark". I didn't think that Amanda would be likely to say that overlty.
I thought that her reason for turning him down, was parltly that there was no real romantic relationship ever between them and it had all been pushed by Uncle Dickie and also because Am had no desire for a public life esp after her grandfather was killed.
I agree that Charles could be selfish at times, of course he was likely to be. however from what Ive read, the first time he took Anna to a ball and danced with her and then with Cam, he was also dancing with other partners, which was proper formal party behaviour (not to be with one woman even your date) but Anna was displeased. the second time it happened, he was dancing or talking more with Camilla and Anna got really mad and stormed off and there was no reconciliation..
but I don't believe that Charles was intending to propose to Anna... She was stormy and hot tempered.. fine for a mistress but not for a future Queen.
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I've never read in any published biography of Charles that he proposed to Anna Wallace. However, reports that he did have popped up periodically in newspapers, such as the one below,

Prince Charles and his relationships - Telegraph

Also I remember reading years ago that a couple of Anna's friends blabbed to others that Charles had discussed marriage with her more than once, and that story appeared ages ago in a blog called royalfavourites, which specialises in little known facts and tales about the royals. It's set up in such a way though that my little iPad can't easily access the site.

You have to scroll down. Good luck!

https://royalfavourites.blogspot.com...es-lovers.html
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