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Old 05-26-2011, 04:20 PM
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Okay...Camilla is the Princess of Wales, she just doesn't use the title as deference to the memory of the late Diana, Princess of Wales. A mistake if you ask me. She just goes by one of Charles's other titles.

She will be Queen unless Charles dies before Queen Elizabeth. To not make her Queen would take an Act of Parliament. Another mistake that I think was made at the of the wedding, trying to bow down to the wishes of people who will never accept Camilla. Charles becomes King and Camilla becomes Queen.

Can you please cite a source which indicates that the Queen was going to step down while Charles was married to Diana?

Also, can you provide a source to indicate that Camilla has received jewelry that belonged to Diana that DID NOT belong to the British Royal Family or is associated with the Prince of Wales.

And you are not bursting my bubble. Its apparent that you don't care for Camilla, and that is certainly your right to feel that way. But the facts that I stated can be verified, can yours?

Frankly, I am bit stunned that I am defending Camilla but the title, the jewels, etc are all due to her based on her position as Charles's wife, The Princess of Wales and the future Queen Consort of England.
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:34 PM
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I find as an American, this Camilla woman totally creepy...
Point 1 : Wrong (The DOC is "de jure" Princess of Wales, but she chose to not use this title).

Point 2 : Wrong (The DOC will be "de jure" Queen, up to her to choose, or not,this title then).

Ponit 3 : Rubbish ("I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and to the service of our great Imperial Family to which we all belong." It's a job for life dear.)

Point 4 : Wrong . You're talking about a Prince of Wales's feathers pendant given by Charles to Diana. The prince of Wales's Feathers is an heraldic symbol used many times for a lot of jewellery including a whole set created for Queen Alexandra (as Princess of Wales). Camilla wore a brooch from this Alexandra's set and not the Diana one.

Emerald Brooch | Wedding gift Queen Alexandra | Camilla Duchess of Cornwall

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Old 05-26-2011, 05:14 PM
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I agree with Zonk & Nico. Camilla is the Princess of Wales whether any of us like it or not. That's the position & title she gets for marrying Charles. As far as Camilla becoming Queen. Despite what Charles said... unless An Act of Parliament is passed. Camilla will become Queen-consort (period end of story). That whole thing of Camilla only being Princess-consort is in my mind a nice little gesture on Prince Charles part but the reality is.. He wants her to be Queen and unless Parliament blocks it.. it will happen.
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:29 PM
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Look like her or not, they love each other. That is the nice part. How they got to this point is not. She, of course, is the POW, she is married to the Prince of Wales. I think she was wise to use the Duchess of Cornwall, to placate many who felt she shouldn't be called that. What will happen in the future, no one knows. Life goes on and so it has for the RF.
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:37 PM
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Look like her or not, they love each other. That is the nice part. How they got to this point is not. She, of course, is the POW, she is married to the Prince of Wales. I think she was wise to use the Duchess of Cornwall, to placate many who felt she shouldn't be called that. What will happen in the future, no one knows. Life goes on and so it has for the RF.
Honestly, their love for each other has changed my opinion of Camilla. I still don't care for Charles, but I am indifferent (as opposed to my initial dislike) of Camilla. They care for each other and they enjoy each other's company. Yes, how they got there was bad, and its obvious that Charles and Diana pairing wasn't a success...the best thing that came out of that union are William and Harry. Charles and Camilla have a partnership and that is so important in order to have a successful marriage.

I will also admit that I wasn't so keen on Camilla having such an active (or let's say visible) role at William's wedding but that is more my issue than hers. And again at the end of the day, she is Charles's wife, she gets along with William and Harry and she has been a well regarded functioning member of the BRF since she got married. I do think she should more engagements, but I also recognize that for over a half of Camilla's life she has been a wife, mother and a woman who lunches (or lady of leisure) and essentially a private citizen who has had to make a big lifestyle change in front of the world. It can't be easy to have every aspect of your life dissected.

So let's just say that while I wont' be using Camilla as a screen saver or an avatar, she isn't the Anti Christ that I thought years ago.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:44 PM
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Alright then...moving on...these posts about the royal jewels will be moved to the correct thread.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:34 AM
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This thread isn't about Diana, her divorce or her insecurities.
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Coming back to the current marriage ;-) ....

...this thread actually made me think again about Charles and Camilla.
Although I find Charles lacklustre (despite his environmental credentials) and a bit of a buffoon.

Yesterday I watched on BBC Four a documentary on Charles' passion for the music of Sir Hubert Parry - that's the chap who composed Jerusalem and lots of other 'hits'.

I was looking forward to the programme, but, as time went on, I became very bored with it, and kept making cups of coffee !!

Charles simply hasn't got what it takes to make a TV documentary. He's tried before with stuff about Highgrove, and, I'm afraid, that was also sleep-inducing.

On the other hand, I could imagine Camilla having a go at such a programme and making a good fist of it !!
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:12 PM
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Camilla seems to have opened Charles up a bit. But he is definitely a fuddy duddy. Well in public anyway :wink:
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:21 PM
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Another view on Camilla and Charles....

Three cheers for Camilla, Duchess of Commonsense – Telegraph Blogs
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Old 05-30-2011, 01:09 PM
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Before I hated Camila, because I loved Diana..but in this moment I was a child.. now I´m an adult and I understand this relationship...but for me I never like Camila....but I admite that Charles and she now the big oportunity to be happy... I think that Charles changed after the Diana dead...and in this moment He think be happy...and His happiness is Camila.

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Old 05-30-2011, 05:35 PM
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Interesting article, but some of the comments are very vile. I still feel ashamed when I think about "Camillagate" and have to really aplaud Camilla for being pro free speach after that disaster (the biggest breach of privacy I ever had to know about, I don't mind their conversation, as it was to be private between them, but the outragous, tasteless, crude act to make it public).
Camilla seems to get into her new job at an age, when woman usually await retirement, she does all this to make Charles happy. From how he looks nowadays, it works. :) She is not overshadowing him, her charity work is about what really interests her and/or is close to her heart, so they both seem quite happy with their lifes together. It's not that they need my blessing, but if asked, I would give it to them
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If Prince Charles had married Diana's sister or his cousin Mountbatten's grand daughter or even the princess of Belgium or any other woman. Camilla would have kept her distance. There is an old expression "A Monkey knows which branch to jump on." Diana was young had no past and was an easy prey. There are many men who married through arranged marriages though they were not in love at the begining with their (arranged partners)they grew to love and appreciate their partners. Diana is the only person Charles has children with (that I heard of ) I would not trust anyone who stood at the Alter of God and lied to the Almighty and the world.
and on the other hand whom God Has Joined Together No one Should Put Assunder.
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:29 PM
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But I think Camilla has proven to be not hypocritical regarding the FREEDOM of press, which I am sorry, but I can't help but admire. Camilla as of today, gotten my respect in FULL. She has not misstepped since marrying Charles and those comments proved she would be a wonderful consort. She has made mistakes, but at least she is not acting holier-than-thou and so a very hardy huzzah for the Duchess of Cornwall.
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If Prince Charles had married Diana's sister or his cousin Mountbatten's grand daughter or even the princess of Belgium or any other woman. Camilla would have kept her distance. There is an old expression "A Monkey knows which branch to jump on." Diana was young had no past and was an easy prey. There are many men who married through arranged marriages though they were not in love at the begining with their (arranged partners)they grew to love and appreciate their partners. Diana is the only person Charles has children with (that I heard of ) I would not trust anyone who stood at the Alter of God and lied to the Almighty and the world.
and on the other hand whom God Has Joined Together No one Should Put Assunder.
There is something call retribution which no one can escape.
You are correct about retribution but it is always wise to remember to "Judge not lest ye be judged", and take great care to remember that "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone". I am also curious as to whether it is divorce in general or just Charles and Camilla's respective divorces you object to?

To me Charles and Camilla's abiding love is an inspiration to the over 50's that love springs eternal and to be honest, I think they both glow when we see them together at an official engagement.

The Queen and Camilla seem to actually enjoy each other' company and I can't help but wonder if it is their shared love of Charles that unites them. In the same way we have seen and heard from William and Harry that they "love her to bits" because she makes their father happy.

If we had any doubts, William and Catherine's wedding saw both Charles and Camilla included in a very significant way. To me it seems obvious that William and Harry have admitted Camilla into the "boys own" club they share with their father. As does William and Catherine's relaxed attitude to continuing to use Clarence House as a London base until they get around to sorting out something for themselves.
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If Prince Charles had married Diana's sister or his cousin Mountbatten's grand daughter or even the princess of Belgium or any other woman. Camilla would have kept her distance. There is an old expression "A Monkey knows which branch to jump on." Diana was young had no past and was an easy prey. There are many men who married through arranged marriages though they were not in love at the begining with their (arranged partners)they grew to love and appreciate their partners. Diana is the only person Charles has children with (that I heard of ) I would not trust anyone who stood at the Alter of God and lied to the Almighty and the world.
and on the other hand whom God Has Joined Together No one Should Put Assunder.
There is something call retribution which no one can escape.

There are many men and women who marry for love and end up having affairs - they go to the altar to say the words before their friends and they mean them - but they don't keep them.

Are they all to be distrusted in everything they do?

The last time I checked only one person who has walked this earth was perfect and he was crucified nearly 2000 years ago.

The rest of us are sinners. Are some sins greater than others - not in God's eyes - God hates all sin but loves all sinners who repent of those sins, which Charles and Camilla have done.

Charles was miserable in his first marriage and happy in his second. For that I rejoice for him and his second wife - a warm and loving woman, who at an age when most of us would be retiring decided that because of her love for Charles that she would start a life of service to the people of Britain in her support for him.
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Over the years I have become more accepting of the Duchess, in fact, I now think she is doing a great job supporting her husband and representing the British royals. An example of how the world turns and everything moves along.
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Well said , MARG.

It does not take away anything from their love of thier mother, but she is not here anymore. Camilla does seem to be very fond of the to princes
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