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Old 05-23-2010, 05:36 AM
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Time changes. If Charles said once that he wouldn't get married, he has the right to change his mind.
William said he would likely to marry at 28. I don't see that happening.
I have always liked Camilla, more than I liked Diana. She has always been the one for him.
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Old 05-23-2010, 05:58 AM
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Nothing changed for me. Since I was a kid (and Diana was still alive then) I preferred Camilla. No proper explanation for that. So, the only thing I can say is that I'm most pleasantly surprised about how marvelous Camilla has developed - I think she's an asset for the BRF.
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Old 05-23-2010, 06:27 AM
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First of all I think Prince Charles would have stayed unmarried. The public version that made Prince Charles change his view was the seating arrangement at mutual friends of both the Prince and the Duchess. I think the real factor was that Prince Charles was supporting the Duchess for the last three to four years on Duchy money. I read that Camilla divorce lawyer told her to put all her money in the home she bought after her divorce forcing Prince Charles to support her. The duchess also lost a lot of her money from a recession. The time the wedding seating arrangement broke, so did the story of Duchy money support the then Ms Camilla Parker-Bowles. Right after that the engagement was announced and no more talk about the Duchy money and support. The Duchy money support was more of a scandal to the BRF than a marriage to a divorcee. That is what I think changed the Queen's mind and she let Prince Charles finally marry his true love.
A very good post. But I does have different views. IMO the duchy's money on Camilla is one of the reasons, but not the trigger one. Duchy's money is Prince Charles's private money, Camilla's his private spending, he would never publish his private spendings. But there are questions to be asked in other areas, such as Camilla's living arrangement in Clarence House which is a public property.

There are other triggers such as public recognition of Camilla as his life partner. Charles pulled out of attending his godson' Eward Van Cusem s wedding because Camilla cannot sit with him in the church as a couple. Thus this is another question, where can Camilla sit in Charles' cornation. In addition, I think Camila's father is ill and the future of his daughter may push him to talk to Charles. Anyway, Charles proposed and they married in the end.

Thank you again the thought.
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Old 05-23-2010, 11:08 AM
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I read that Camilla divorce lawyer told her to put all her money in the home she bought after her divorce forcing Prince Charles to support her.
Would you be able to provide a source for this claim?

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The Duchy money support was more of a scandal to the BRF than a marriage to a divorcee.
"A scandal to the BRF"? The income the POW receives from the Duchy of Cornwall is his to spend as he pleases. Where is (or was) the "scandal"?
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Old 05-29-2010, 12:02 PM
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Would you be able to provide a source for this claim?

"A scandal to the BRF"? The income the POW receives from the Duchy of Cornwall is his to spend as he pleases. Where is (or was) the "scandal"?
Source of both claims came in article from British newspaper a week before the engagement announcement. The article made it into a scandal that Prince Charles used money from the Duchy to keep Camilla. I read the article at the time and thought this would decide the issue of the Duchess. Sorry, I wish I could remember name of the newspaper.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:20 PM
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Source of both claims came in article from British newspaper a week before the engagement announcement. The article made it into a scandal that Prince Charles used money from the Duchy to keep Camilla. I read the article at the time and thought this would decide the issue of the Duchess. Sorry, I wish I could remember name of the newspaper.

I don't remember hearing that Camilla was advised to use ALL her divorce settlement to buy Raymill House but I do remember hearing that she was advised to use some of it to give herself her own home.

Some of the press wanted to make an issue out of Charles supporting Camilla out of his private income. This is because the press, Daily Mail etc, are out to destroy Charles and have been for many years and so any criticism they can launch at Charles they will. They were wrong in suggesting that Charles was doing anything wrong. His private income is his to use for whatever purpose he sees fit and if that means supporting a string of mistresses so be it. If he was on the Civil List and that Civil List was his only means of support I still wouldn't have a problem as that would be his income for the work he does and how he spends that is his business.

I didn't see any scandal at the time nor now about a wealthy men with a private income using it to support a friend, lover or whomever.
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Agreed, it was the Daily Mail that had that article.

Agree too, that it is his money, & he is certainly entitled to spend however he so desires!
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Old 05-30-2010, 05:43 AM
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I've looked at all the articles about Camilla before engagement, and cannot find one about the Duchy on the Daily Mail website.
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I've looked at all the articles about Camilla before engagement, and cannot find one about the Duchy on the Daily Mail website.
It came out the very day before the wedding announcement, February 9th. It may never have been online, just on the newspaper stands. If I am not mistaken it was written by Richard Kay & another journo. I still have it somewhere, along with all the newspapers celebrating the engagement. Where it may be is another story. lol
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Old 05-30-2010, 06:17 PM
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It came out the very day before the wedding announcement, February 9th. It may never have been online, just on the newspaper stands. If I am not mistaken it was written by Richard Kay & another journo. I still have it somewhere, along with all the newspapers celebrating the engagement. Where it may be is another story. lol
It was in a number of online papers (otherwise I would never have read it). I read the Daily Mail, the Telegraph and the Express every day and I am fairly sure it was in more than one of those. I don't remember it being the day before but remember it going on for a couple of days not one.

There was an investigation into Charles' expenditure at the time and it came out in that investigation.
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It was in a number of online papers (otherwise I would never have read it). I read the Daily Mail, the Telegraph and the Express every day and I am fairly sure it was in more than one of those. I don't remember it being the day before but remember it going on for a couple of days not one.

There was an investigation into Charles' expenditure at the time and it came out in that investigation.
I was in London at the time & did not bother to go online, so I really have no idea. I do know there were actually two Daily Mail articles in the February 9th paper. I think the other was an editorial. I seem to remember one earlier in the week. And I do believe another paper had the article as well. The first article was back in January. Some MP raising the question...At least four articles if we are getting precise... Very well could have been in the Express as well. I remember the other was downgraded from the Daily Mail status..Anyway, I do remember I saved them all...Anything to do with the royal family I save. Actually the announcement stopped the investigation cold in its track, as it should have. It should have never started to begin with!
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:39 PM
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I was in London at the time & did not bother to go online, so I really have no idea. I do know there were actually two Daily Mail articles in the February 9th paper. I think the other was an editorial. I seem to remember one earlier in the week. And I do believe another paper had the article as well. The first article was back in January. Some MP raising the question...At least four articles if we are getting precise... Very well could have been in the Express as well. I remember the other was downgraded from the Daily Mail status..Anyway, I do remember I saved them all...Anything to do with the royal family I save. Actually the announcement stopped the investigation cold in its track, as it should have. It should have never started to begin with!

Exactly - the whole idea of the Duchy of Cornwall estate is to provide the heir with a private income.

I remember thinking at the time - are they going to do a similar investigation to the expenditure of other peers whose estates provide them with their private incomes e.g. The Duke of Devonshire and Earl Spencer
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Old 05-31-2010, 12:02 AM
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Personally, my opinion of Camilla has not changed. I do think she has taken on her duties gracefully and has endeavored to really be a part of the The Firm. She seems to have made a favorable impression on Prince William and Prince Harry, which I'm sure was very important to The Prince of Wales and The Queen.

But. I do not like her. And there is probably nothing she could ever do to induce me to change my mind.

It has long been my opinion that both Charles and Camilla have been duplicitous in their dealings with the public and with their personal relations.. with Diana.. with Andrew Parker-Bowles.. and with their own children..

So I was glad to see them finally marry and cut out the decades of deceit by legitimizing their relationship.

But. I still do not like her. And that is purely my own opinion.

Regardless.. it makes absolutely no difference to me that they decided she would be HRH The Duchess of Cornwall..

Legally, as the wife of the heir to the throne, she is HRH The Princess of Wales. If the Firm didn't want her to be known by that title, then that was their choice and she consented to that.

It will also make no difference what she is called if and when Charles becomes king. Legally she will be Queen, and if she chooses to be known by a lesser title, then that will be a decision that she and Charles make together.

I have no doubt that she will be crowned when the time comes, whether she is known as Queen Consort or Princess Consort. And without Queen Elizabeth and most likely without The Duke of Edinburgh around, I do believe Charles will want his wife to be of equal rank.

It does occur to me, however, that the last "mistress" who became Queen was Anne Boleyn.. and we all know what a disaster that turned out to be.. so here's hoping they tread lightly and respectfully of the British people when the real decisions have to be made..
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Old 05-31-2010, 06:21 AM
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You can hardly compare a present day Duchess to Anne Boleyn.
What exactly have you got against Camilla may I ask?

You say in your post about her titles and that it does not bother you, so what have you got against her?
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I know some papers tried to make an issue out of Charles buying things for Camilla but I was requesting substantiation of the bolded part of this statement:
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It has long been my opinion that both Charles and Camilla have been duplicitous in their dealings with the public and with their personal relations.. with Diana.. with Andrew Parker-Bowles.. and with their own children..
Could you perhaps expand on this accepting that it is based on your opinion?
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You can hardly compare a present day Duchess to Anne Boleyn.
What exactly have you got against Camilla may I ask?

You say in your post about her titles and that it does not bother you, so what have you got against her?
I was not comparing Camilla to Anne Boleyn.. that was just an observation.

And you are quite correct.. I couldn't care less what they call her - now or in the future. That's just semantics, because legally she is Charles' consort and holds an equal rank by courtesy.. which she will continue to hold until his death

It is my opinion that the Duchess of Cornwall is not suitable to be Queen Consort.. and I will leave it at that.
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Why is she not suitable?
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Why is she not suitable?

I agree with this question - why is she not suitable?
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