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Old 04-24-2013, 01:28 PM
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I imagine Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine (more recently of course) have had the same oppurtunity to attend every royal wedding we've had in the past 8 years. Sophie and Edward represent The Queen who, I imagine, chooses or asks around who would like to go these "important" events. If no prior engagement is set, I see no reason as to why Charles and Camilla couldn't have attended the events Sophie and Edward have. The royal families of Europe have graced the BRF with their presence on more than one royal occasion. Yet the attendance has not been returned. I wonder why.
My own view on why the more senior royals (HM, DoE, C&C) do not attend events hosted by other royal families (wedding, christening, birthday celebrations etc) is that they like to limit their public dealings with other royal houses to be very business-like. Perhaps this traces back to the end the first part of the last century when many a monarchy was criticised (and fell!) for hobnobbing withother royals and perhaps loosing touch with the commonon man, but to me it manifests itself in for example, a very low key lunch for other monarchs at the diamond jubilee, or Camilla never wearing a tiara overseas.

In private, I am sure the Windsors regularly meet with other royal families, but purposely limit their public exposure with them.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:37 PM
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I am glad Charles and Camilla are attending this as it would have looked rather bad if every other Royal house had sent the Heir to the throne and the British hadn't. I see nothing wrong with Edward and Sophie attending the weddings and other Royal events. He's the son of the Monarch, not the cousin or nephew. It's a good representation and Edward has been doing it for years, even before he married Sophie. They are similar in age and have more in common, with young children etc. Charles and Camilla are quite a bit older and although they could of course socialise perfectly well, the Queen obviously knows the Wessex's do this part of their job well and can build relationships with the other Royals. They were after all invited to the 40th birthday of Willem-Alexander and Martha-Louise as friends, not as representatives of the Queen.

I am glad Charles is going as he attended Beatrix's inauguration so it's nice to see him attend Willem-Alexander's and I look forward to seeing photos of them with the other Royals.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:40 PM
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I think the very low key lunch and Camilla never wearing a tiara has more to do with economics than it has to keeping their heads on, so to speak. If they can do it in private, they can do it in public. You don't see European monarchies falling for wearing a tiara to a wedding, having Charles show up now and again wouldn't hurt.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:45 PM
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If Charles and Camilla didn't show up to this inauguration and The Queen had sent an ambassador, I'd expect no one to show up to his coronation either.
I am sure all the royal houses would flock to a British coronation, irrespective of whether C&C attend the Dutch coronation or not. This was clealry evidenced by the attendance at the wedding of William and Catherine two years ago.
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I think the very low key lunch and Camilla never wearing a tiara has more to do with economics than it has to keeping their heads on, so to speak. If they can do it in private, they can do it in public. You don't see European monarchies falling for wearing a tiara to a wedding, having Charles show up now and again wouldn't hurt.
But Charles has shown up at weddings, and more than now and again, although he has never worn a tiara
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:48 PM
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I am sure all the royal houses would flock to a British coronation, irrespective of whether C&C attend the Dutch coronation or not. This was clealry evidenced by the attendance at the wedding of William and Catherine two years ago.
Goodness me, yes. The attendance for Charles' coronation will be huge. I can see all the Monarch's AND Heir's attending. The British Monarchy is one of the oldest in the world and has such a strong history. So many of the current European families are descendants of the British Royals thanks to Queen Victoria marrying her children off.
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Goodness me, yes. The attendance for Charles' coronation will be huge. I can see all the Monarch's AND Heir's attending. The British Monarchy is one of the oldest in the world and has such a strong history. So many of the current European families are descendants of the British Royals thanks to Queen Victoria marrying her children off.
Heirs yes, reigning or deposed monarchs no. It is the protocol for such events that foreign monarchs are represented but not invited. The only monarchs at QEIIs were not heads of sovereign states but were monarchs of protected states within the empire (like Salote of Tonga or the Sultan of Zanzibar) who ruled their states with the assistance of British Politcal Agents.
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But Charles has shown up at weddings, and more than now and again, although he has never worn a tiara
I first read this as "Charles has thrown up at weddings", and I thought, No Wonder he Never Gets Sent!
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:38 PM
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:07 PM
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Protocol dictates that heirs to thrones attend coronations not crowned heads so that the new monarch is the most senior royal present. If any other monarch is there that monarch, having been a monarch for longer, takes precedence as precedence is determined by length of time in office.
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I imagine Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine (more recently of course) have had the same oppurtunity to attend every royal wedding we've had in the past 8 years. Sophie and Edward represent The Queen who, I imagine, chooses or asks around who would like to go these "important" events. If no prior engagement is set, I see no reason as to why Charles and Camilla couldn't have attended the events Sophie and Edward have. The royal families of Europe have graced the BRF with their presence on more than one royal occasion. Yet the attendance has not been returned. I wonder why.
I also wonder about this British sense of 'us and them' when it comes to Europe, especially because the British Royal family is of course closely related to many of the Europeans. One knows about the 'bicycle riding monarch' labels that once described continental crowned heads, but surely the glamorous young crown princelings have put paid to that image! No doubt the moderators will send this question over to the correct forum so that this fascinating question can be discussed further, but I would not be surprised if there is more in common between the Japanese and British Royal Households than meets the eye as far as the conservatism of the relevant officials is concerned.
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:37 PM
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I think those who have used a little common sense have nailed it. Charles is more of an age with European monarchs than their heirs, nevertheless he has attended weddings in the past whilst Edward and Sophie have more than carried the flag in recent years.

As to the Dutch Inauguration? There was never any question that Charles and Camilla would attend. It is expected, it is correct royal etiquette, it is correct royal protocol. Anyone really think HM or Charles would break with that? I think not.
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When the Danes, Norwegian & Spanish CPs married was that pre C&C wedding so the Wessexes were the only married couple (other than Anne) ?
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:39 PM
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Seems like pre-WWII the royal families used to 'mingle' alot more....

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Old 04-24-2013, 09:23 PM
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Seems like pre-WWII the royal families used to 'mingle' alot more....

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Pre WWI certainly, but George V didnt like traveling and he certainly wanted to establish his family as British and distance himself from his German roots. George VI of course had WWII so continental travel wasn't going to happen. Other than state visits, QEII has not attended royal social events on the continent with the exception of Julianas 25th wedding anniversary and Baudouins funeral. I also do not think it would be popular in the UK for QEII to be seen popping off to Europe for every birthday party, wedding, aniversary, jubilee etc. We rather like the idea of her spending her holidays in Norfolk and Balmoral.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:52 PM
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The Queen is very ceremonial in connection with the royal houses, this is bad, it was sad to see the heirs gathered by Alexander William for the farewell less windsors.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:14 AM
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See..whatever you meant by the second sentence, wedding and coronation (enthronement whatever) are different events altogether.
The Queen can send any one to represent her, or more correctly, her family to a wedding, so sending third son is no way different from sending first son. Both represent the Queen equally. SO Edward and Sophie are no way "lesser" royals at weddings..
But coronation is different. It is a fully official event which defines the very existence of that particular Royal House. So all the concerned friends/allies are expected to send their highest available members to pay homage to the new monarch, and convey their own monarch's acceptance and wishes to the new monarch..(This is the historical perspective). Here high-low matters, definitely. So Prince of Wales will definitely be expected to attend, and he is rightly attending.

And regarding the Queen's or (even Charles') non-attendance at European weddings, it has been thoroughly discussed in other threads before. Moreover, all the reigning continental monarchs (leave alone the heirs) have time and again showed that they are not bothered by these things, and showered affection for the Queen and PoW at every possible occasion.
So thats not at all an issue..
So you dont feel bad, for whatever reason it is..
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:52 PM
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Well to dissipate some last doubts, the Wales are definitely and officialy on the guestlist :

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Old 04-29-2013, 03:36 PM
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Earlier today Charles and Camilla arrived in Amsterdam :

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Prince Charles attends Queen's abdication party… but unfortunately for him it's not his mother! European Royals attend ball to celebrate reign of Queen Beatrix of Holland before her resignation tomorrow:
Prince Charles attends Queen's abdication partyż but unfortunately for him it's not his mother! European Royals attend ball to celebrate reign of Queen Beatrix of Holland before her resignation tomorrow | Mail Online
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