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Of course Camilla was not in the public eye in the 80's anyway, it was during the Panaorama interview that she was brought into the marriage debacle, so we are talking a very short timescale.Quote:
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And Morton certainly made very, very strong suggestions in the direction that Camilla was Charles' mistress.
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But does the time and place of the revelation change the facts in any way? |
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I think that time will certainly change people's opinion of Camilla. My parents thought that Mrs. Simpson was awful and destroyed Edward VIII and almost the crown -- my children think that Edward VIII was wonderful and mentality superior to take love over job he never really wanted just because he was born into that family -- me, I don't care either way.
Time changes people's opinion of history
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Sorry but I don't believe that time or place changes anything. What happened happened, and History will not change the facts. Camilla was, and will always be, the mistress. It won't make her 'awful' but it Is a fact. Simple as that.
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I don't think anyone is trying to say that her past will change. You're right in that she is what she is, and that is what she'll always be. But there's more to her than that, there's always been more to her than that and when she's Queen (and she will be), there will be more to her then.
Everyone screws up in life, she's no exception. No one should have behaved in this situation the way they did, but they did and that's that. But you can't keep her shackled to that all her life. You have to be willing to say "You've atoned, let's all move on" and get on with it. I think that's what people are saying. Her legacy when she's passed on should not be merely one sentence: "His Majesty's Mistress".
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I see the little debate on Mistress Camilla has erupted again. For those who aren't aware of it, Camilla has been married for three years now. It's very unfortunate to see that this subject is the only some seem to remember of. I hope it's not another attempt to start a CCD fight ![]() TheTruth British Forum Moderator.
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Are we really going down this path again?
Time to distract everyone with the new, extra-cute smilie: ![]() |
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Camilla's legacy is not set in stone. I dislike the idea that she is going to be remembered as the mistress or the wife. Human beings are so complex I hate it when people put others in a box. The wife, the mistress, etc etc. She had had her good moments and her bad ones. Poor judgment and good judgment. No one is just one thing. Her legacy, for those that value the complexity of human life and experience will view her as many things and not just one thing or one period in her life. :)
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![]() ![]() Camilla's legacy will include her charity work and of course the support of Charles, as a man, Prince and King. As a mother and a stepmother to William and Harry, she will be remembered as having supported them in their personal lives, Royal lives and their charitable endeavours. She will probably be remembered as a doting grandparent to all her grandchildren, royal or commoner. ![]() ![]()
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Of course Camilla will be remembered as a doting step-grandparent to Diana's grandchildren.
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I don't think there is anything "simple" about the whole story of Charles' first marriage, nor about his enduring relationship with his now-second wife. There are very few details about either story (and still more details which overlap into the other) which are gray and immensely complicated. That is why there are so many opinions about it. That is why people still have debates about it. Because one person's conjecture is Bs to another person. And there so many lies, half-truths, and unaccountable gossip in the pot. The one thing that is 100% certainty is that all three of the principal characters were human, with all the attendant human weaknesses, blindness, and egos. And so the lesson or moral, if you will, I suppose, is that all three deserve our compassion and graciousness.
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After conferring about the legacy threads, the British moderators have concluded that while the Diana legacy thread has some point, since Diana has been gone for over 10 years, it's really too early to be discussing the legacies of the heir to the throne and his wife. While there might be some interesting things to say on these topics, as usual they're being crowded out by the tit-for-tat of the CCD wars, and the whole moderation team is getting really tired of having to clean up after posters who just want to fight and those who take the bait when it's offered.
Therefore we're closing both the Charles and Camilla legacy threads. The Diana legacy thread remains open as a discussion arena but not as a battleground. Elspeth for the British Royals moderation team
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