Camilla & Charles: How has your opinion changed since the wedding?

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

Too, bad. Camilla looked like an unmade bed, until the wedding and makeover...... What amazes me is those that are very critical of Diana, will say "here we go again", if anything uncomplimentary are said about the "Golden Couple".

I put the comment, (my name is shown with my avatar to the top left of each post I make), because normally when other (generic) posters make such unfounded, derogatory comments, the thread goes into a meltdown and back to the old, old, C/C/D argument. If I put that Diana dressed like an old slapper, based on a couple of 'not so good pictures', then I would expect anyone with any sense of fair play, to come to her defence. Whilst I never found Diana to be 'pretty' or 'attractive', I have never made such a comment based on any 'not nice pictures and there are quite a few, IMO.

You stated that Camilla looked like an unmade bed before the wedding and makeover, do you have many pictures to prove that or is it based on the few 'biased' pictures the media published? Just because the media only published a few carefully chosen unglamourous pictures, don't believe that Camilla didn't look stunning when she dressed for an occasion and very much OK for a trip to the shops!

Most women here don't wear full warpaint out riding in the countryside or for a quick trip to buy bread!

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ True, true. The "unmade bed" an exaggeration. In any case, Camilla basically dresses the same way she always has done. The differences are that she is more polished, with better makeup and hair always fixed nicely (and the jewels of course). But if think about it, she actually dresses the same way she always did, for all kinds of occasions. And whenever she dresses casually for country pursuits, she still looks very neat. I mean to say, she never looks messy. I never, ever remember seeing Camilla looking messy, and I am thinking of her in the 90s in all manner of situations. The "unmade bed" makes me think messy, and I never would describe Camilla as messy.

[TheTruth]

My opinion on Camilla has never really changed. I've always seen her as a great lady, being nice to everyone and making Charles happy. I admire her for the dignity she has kept while her image was torn apart. I'll never have the same "affection" for her that the one I have for Diana but I don't mean I've got less, it's just too different to compare. Moreover, trying to compare both is pointless and leads to useless "Princess Battles" .

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

Just because the media only published a few carefully chosen unglamourous pictures, don't believe that Camilla didn't look stunning when she dressed for an occasion and very much OK for a trip to the shops!

Just like her mother-in-law - the queen does not look overly polished when she is photographed our riding or visiting her stables at Sandringham. The next day in church we see a different lady... what's so astonishing about it?

[COUNTESS]

Actually, her friends have said she was untidy and you could would never know if she had "clean knickers", I assume panties on. She, in pictures I have seen, in magazines, looked unkempt. I am sure, if she went to a ball or dinner she cleaned up. I don't believe fashion was her forte. It still isn't. She looks fine most of the time. The hats are often too big, some of her clothing in not well thought out. What she wore to the 60th Wedding Services was plain awful. I know she takes critcism for her hair, but I think it looks very nice. Her posture is poor, so is mine, and I now, at my age notice that that does make a difference. She looks older than her 60 years, smoking did her no favor. It ruins the face. I have no problem with her in general. I doubt that she looked stunning when she dressed as Skydragon asserts, as she doesn't look stunning on any occassion. She looks nice, but stunning is not Camilla.

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ HTF do her friends know about her panties, and why did they comment on them to be quoted in the media? And how does wearing big-brim hats equate being messy? I am under the impression that her preference for hats has to do with her personal style, i.e. what she likes to wear. But a big-brim hat hardly makes her messy.

[TheTruth]

Well fashion is all about taste so some people will like, others won't. The most important is how YOU want to dress. If Camilla makes her own choices, that's revealing of her capacity to decide alone and being independent.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

Actually, her friends have said she was untidy and you could would never know if she had "clean knickers", I assume panties on.

Do you have aquote for that? What kind of friends? Or was that Diana who spread this kind of information?

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Do you have aquote for that? What kind of friends? Or was that Diana who spread this kind of information?

Well if Diana has spread this rumour it would have also meant that she had spent enough time with Camilla to know it and thus being at least aware that there was actually an affair going on with Charles so it would have destroyed the "ignorance-of-being-cheated-on" theory she had created. Moreover, I believe that if Diana had done it, it would have definitely been in Richard Kay's article .

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by COUNTESS

Actually, her friends have said she was untidy and you could would never know if she had "clean knickers", I assume panties on.

Which friends would that be, as it is well known that none of Camilla's friends speak to the media. Even Jilly didn't have or make such personal observations and she is the only 'friend' who has, with permission from Charles and Camilla given any interview or made any statement.

I am presuming you have a link to the friends statement, even the ubiquitous 'unnamed friend'.

She, in pictures I have seen, in magazines, looked unkempt. I am sure, if she went to a ball or dinner she cleaned up.

Carefully chosen pictures to ensure she was not seen at her best. Although I have to say it was always Camillas choice not to notify the media where she was going to be, when she was looking good, IMO.

I don't believe fashion was her forte. It still isn't. She looks fine most of the time. The hats are often too big, some of her clothing in not well thought out. What she wore to the 60th Wedding Services was plain awful. I know she takes critcism for her hair, but I think it looks very nice. Her posture is poor, so is mine, and I now, at my age notice that that does make a difference. She looks older than her 60 years, smoking did her no favor. It ruins the face. I have no problem with her in general. I doubt that she looked stunning when she dressed as Skydragon asserts, as she doesn't look stunning on any occassion. She looks nice, but stunning is not Camilla.

Fashion may not have been her 'forte', but classic style is so much better in the long run. Ask most people how much amusement the family get from looking through their 'fashion' disasters. I like a lot of her hats, one or two are a little OTT, until I get used to them and want one myself. I expect I am biased as I am a hat wearer myself, as are a lot of my friends and while I don't wear anything with a massive brim to the shops, I do wear them to garden parties, gala's and the like.

I know very many 50 - 60 year olds and Camilla looks a damn site better than the majority of them, with or without makeup and certainly without the aid of Botox or surgery. (I of course still look 21, ) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as we know, but Camilla has never been short of admirers, male and female and it would be wrong to base anything on whether somebody photographs well. I stand by my stunning remark.

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

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Fashion may not have been her 'forte', but classic style is so much better in the long run. Ask most people how much amusement the get from looking through their 'fashion' disasters. I know very many 50 - 60 year olds and Camilla looks a damn site better than the majority of them. (I of course still look 21, ) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as we know, but Camilla has never been short of admirers, male and female and it would be wrong to base anything on whether somebody photographs well. I stand by my stunning remark.

For her age, she's truly nice-looking and fashionable IMO. And, like you said Sky, there's the choice of photographs (and photographers ). I have already seen really bad pics of Diana and would I say she was actually ugly ? No.

[PadThaiPrincess]

If you look at Duchess Camilla in formal clothes, I think she looks very stilted and uncomfortable, even her wedding gown seemed to do her little justice. However, the pictures of her in jeans, riding clothes or Wellingtons just pottering around the countryside, she looks very relaxed and almost radiant. Her and Prince Charles are better suited to each other because they like country living. I think it's important to recognize both angles that they are happy in love and made it to the altar only after much scheming that deeply hurt many people in the process.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by PadThaiPrincess

If you look at Duchess Camilla in formal clothes, I think she looks very stilted and uncomfortable, even her wedding gown seemed to do her little justice. However, the pictures of her in jeans, riding clothes or Wellingtons just pottering around the countryside, she looks very relaxed and almost radiant. Her and Prince Charles are better suited to each other because they like country living. I think it's important to recognize both angles that they are happy in love and made it to the altar only after much scheming that deeply hurt many people in the process.

It just goes to show how different peoples taste can be. I thought her wedding outfits were stunning (there's that word again) and suited her to a T. Neither overpowering nor understating the occasion. The simple outfit for the civil ceremony and the beautifully embroidered dress and coat for the blessing. I do disagree with your scheming comment, as I don't believe that Camilla ever wanted to be either The Princess of Wales or a Duchess. Please lets not get into the who did what with who, that caused so much hurt.

[PadThaiPrincess]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

It just goes to show how different peoples taste can be. I thought her wedding outfits were stunning (there's that word again) and suited her to a T. Neither overpowering nor understating the occasion. The simple outfit for the civil ceremony and the beautifully embroidered dress and coat for the blessing. I do disagree with your scheming comment, as I don't believe that Camilla ever wanted to be either The Princess of Wales or a Duchess. Please lets not get into the who did what with who, that caused so much hurt.

The "scheming" I meant was how her and Prince Charles used to conspire together to find places to conduct their affairs such as the homes of friends. I agree with you she never wanted to be Princess of Wales, the woman had bread rolls tossed at her in the supermarket for Pete's sake. I appreciate your courtesy in differing opinions.

[BeatrixFan]

Did she though? I've never seen any evidence of bakery product launches.