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Old 07-18-2010, 04:11 AM
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Diana already HAD a title, Lady Diana Spencer. Camilla is the commoner who had no title.
Lady is nothing special.
They had about the same lineage, and if you really want to think about it, Camilla could be the great-granddaughter of Edward VII
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:41 PM
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Why do people keep going on about Camilla being older than Charles as if it's years and years? She's only one year older.

I think they were in love as young people in their 20s, that Charles was too stiffled by tradition and the influence of both his uncle and his grandmother to have gone against their wishes and that Camilla got in a huff when he went off into the Royal Navy and married APB who she was also attracted to.
Then, in later years after Charles and Diana's marriage was irretrievably over, he turned back to the woman who had always been there for him, (which I believe was as friends only while he and Diana were together).
This time there was no Mountbatten and his Grandmother was probably too frail to interfere much and Charles had grown more determined (call it spoilt or whatever you like) and refused to give Camilla up again when there was no longer a reason to.

Also, my best friend is a bloke, we've talked about all kinds of things including sexual matters and the break up of my marriage (at which he was best man as I married a guy I met through him) and we've always remained friends without risk of a personal relationship. I am also still friends with all of my ex-boyfriends, even the ones from my school days, apart from one, who moved away and we lost touch rather than we fell out.
It is perfectly possible to still love an old flame and yet no longer be IN LOVE with them. I am also really good friends with my 17-year-old schoolgirl love of my life's wife :)
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:25 PM
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I am very impressed of this realistic conversation about this difficult topic. It´s great! Respect to all who posted their opinon.
I read a lot of things I can agree with.

Somewhere I´ve read Charles and Camilla only married because after all they had to. I don´t want to believe it, maybe I´m a little too romantic, but a lot of bad things would have had no sense if Charles and Camilla are not truly in love. And that would be disastrously

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Old 08-23-2010, 03:38 PM
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I believe Charles and Camilla are in love but if had the chance I think Camilla would have continued with the way things were. They were officially together but she didn't have the burdens of being a member of the British Royal Family. I think Charles always wanted to marry her post Diana.

Welcome to the Forums Bella76....the Charles and Camilla discussion has come a long way :) Its not perfect and we dont always agree but we try to be civil to each other.
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Old 12-18-2010, 05:35 PM
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Lady is nothing special.
Diana was the daughter of an earl .. thats quite something.. Camilla was a commoner - back in the 70th no marriagematerial for the POW; if he wasn't marrieing a princess at least it had to be an aristocrate

It was still difficult to believe when girls like Mette-Marit and divorced women like Laeticia married Crownprinces not that long ago...
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:37 PM
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Diana was the daughter of an earl .. thats quite something.. Camilla was a commoner - back in the 70th no marriagematerial for the POW; if he wasn't marrieing a princess at least it had to be an aristocrate

It was still difficult to believe when girls like Mette-Marit and divorced women like Laeticia married Crownprinces not that long ago...

The problem with Camilla wasn't her lineage but more the fact that she wasn't a virgin - she had a past. Along with that she preferred Andrew Parker-Bowles in the early 70s.
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:10 PM
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The problem with Camilla wasn't her lineage but more the fact that she wasn't a virgin - she had a past. Along with that she preferred Andrew Parker-Bowles in the early 70s.
Were the all royal brides before Camilla virgin?It's a little unbelievable such a request
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Old 12-18-2010, 07:56 PM
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Were the all royal brides before Camilla virgin?It's a little unbelievable such a request

The Queen was as was the Queen Mum, Queen Mary, Queen Alexanrda, Queen Victoria and Queen Adelaide. I think you would almost have to go back to Henry VIII's wives to find a wife of a King or heir to the throne of Queen Regnant who wasn't a virgin on her wedding night.

This woman is to bear the next monarch and the bloodline is necessary so being a virgin was important. For some time not being a virgin was grounds for an annulment so protecting the daughters was important.
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Lady is nothing special.
They had about the same lineage, and if you really want to think about it, Camilla could be the great-granddaughter of Edward VII
If Camilla is the out of wedlock great grand daughter of Edward VII, that is not of equal standing to being the legitimate daughter of an ancient Earldom, wish though some might.
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:43 PM
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If Camilla is the out of wedlock great grand daughter of Edward VII, that is not of equal standing to being the legitimate daughter of an ancient Earldom, wish though some might.
I notice that you refer to the possibility of Camilla being the descendent of an illegitimate child of a king but without mentioning that Diana (and Camilla and Sarah) all are the descendents of of an illegimate child of a King - all being descendents of Charles II and his myriad of children.

You can't denigrate one woman for her alleged ancestry without applying the same standards to all such people and thus holding illegimate descent from a King against Diana and her family as well.

Fortunately for most people it has been many years since being an illegitimate child has been held against the child and certainly not against the descendents of such a child. Neither Diana nor Camilla can be blamed if their ancestors were the product of the amorous embraces of Kings with lower born women.
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Old 12-19-2010, 07:48 AM
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I concur Iluvbertie.

Let's cease with the use of "bastard" as it as negative implication in an unusual nasty way.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:36 PM
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.. I still think it was both: Camilla having a past and not beeing aristocrat. The DoC is not dumb; she knew she wasn't marriage material; she knew if she wants to marry it couldn't be him. ..and appart from that, there was an attractiv man APB - in comparison to a young Charles.
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I don't see why age has anything to do with it, Camilla is closer to Charles than APB.
Camilla married APB instead of Charles, that's a fact.
Whether it was because of her background or virginity, is speculation.
But it doesn't really matter.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:55 PM
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I don't see why age has anything to do with it, Camilla is closer to Charles than APB.
Camilla married APB instead of Charles, that's a fact.
Whether it was because of her background or virginity, is speculation.
But it doesn't really matter.
Actually, it was a pretty accurate on why Charles couldn't or didn't marry Camilla when they first dated.

It was the early 1970's and things were much different...she did have a past. Charles could have a past and she couldn't not. That much is pretty much documented by various sources in early Charles & Camilla books as well as books of Mountbatten.

She was also dating APB at the same time.

Charles dithered and went off for a couple of months for a Navy assignment. While he was gone, Camilla married Andrew.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:58 PM
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But there are still numerous reasons, even if one is particularly accurate.
It's a solid 100% fact that Camilla married APB. No changing it now.
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She was also dating APB at the same time.

Charles dithered and went off for a couple of months for a Navy assignment. While he was gone, Camilla married Andrew.
Which is why I dont buy the '30 year true love story' spin.
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:46 PM
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Which is why I dont buy the '30 year true love story' spin.
Honestly...if has anything to do with Charles and Camilla, I don't believe you would buy it.
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Which is why I dont buy the '30 year true love story' spin.
Another factor to look at over that 30 years time span is that although not a romantic "love" affair from the time that Camilla married Andrew Parker-Bowles until his own marriage was beyond repair, Charles remained very close friends with both Camilla and Andrew and as I've mentioned before, is godfather to their eldest son Tom. They moved in the same circle and shared many similar interests. It is totally possible to have a close, loving relationship with someone and it be totally platonic. With this behind them, they really had a good foundation to build on when they discovered that they not only loved each other but were IN love with each other also. Perhaps that's why their marriage is so strong now and they are so happy with the way their lives are.
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Well said. I think there was a strong bond from the beginning but when she chose Andrew and a private life Charles remained her friend and later lover until his marriage when they returned to being friends. When his marriage broke down he sought the one person who had always been there for him and they would have happily remained in that state had the affair not been made public - a private love.

I do think they have loved each other for nearly 40 years but would have been happy to have that love kept private but once made public made the public commitment to each other to make the love permanent.
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Honestly...if has anything to do with Charles and Camilla, I don't believe you would buy it.
Come now. THis is well documented. Not like I made it up. Camilla was carrying on with both men. When Charles ditherered and went off on duty Camilla married PB. Hardly that she was in love with Charles to the exclusion of APB.
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