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View Poll Results: When did your opinion of Diana start to change and why?
Morton book (1990) 25 9.80%
War of the Waleses (starting 1990) 20 7.84%
Squidgygate (1992) 12 4.71%
Hewitt affair (1993) 17 6.67%
Charles' interview (1994) 5 1.96%
Panorama interview (1995) 43 16.86%
Phone calls to Oliver Hoare (1994) 14 5.49%
Dodi al-Fayed (1997) 23 9.02%
Other (please explain) 96 37.65%
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:58 PM
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I remember there was this one scene where the Queen gets a phone call from her sister and Margo said something around the lines of "Diana managing to be even more annoying dead than alive." I can't imagine Princess Margaret saying something as cruel and callous as that.
The Queen was an entertaining movie but one has to take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:03 PM
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It's rumoured that the Queen Mother was supposed to have said something like that, too.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:34 PM
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Well I've never been fond of her..
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:50 PM
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I can't believe Princess Margaret would ever have said anything like that. The Queen Mother whether she ever said anything like that or not, didn't view Diana very highly, from what I've read. Of course that isn't surprising, given they were from different generations.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:28 PM
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I think that my opinion of Diana changed with the interview and again when it was said that she was dating Dodi Al Fayed. These two things really made me think about who she really was. I have never disliked her, but I can see why the Royal Family did distrust her. I think that there were many things that she used to her advantage over the years and some of it was a little shady and distrustful.
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:05 PM
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I just saw this thread. I have to say I've pretty much always felt the same about Diana. I was 17 when she got engaged and married and I always thought it was so romantic. I too, like Diana, read a lot of romance novels and had a very romantic view of life. I think she came along at a time when the world needed someone like her. At the time the world scene was very depressing and in a bad state and she brought some sunshine into it. I have always thought in regards to her and Charles that it takes two people to make a relationship and two people to break it. I think they were both very immature (regardless of their ages) emotionally and really had a skewed view of what a relationship would be like. I think they did care about each other but didn't know how to show it in an adult way. I don't know if I am saying this right but I don't think no matter what, that they could have made it. She was too young and he was always too old for his age. I think they made two beautiful boys together and that is what counts. They both made mistakes and I think if they could have gotten their acts together they would have made a terrific team but they didn't. I think she brought the royal family into the limelight that I don't think they would have had otherwise. Hopefully her boys and the rest of the family can continue it now.
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:09 PM
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I do not think she brought the royal family into limelight as I don't think they needed more attention as they had. I like Diana but to be honest the whole Diana-Charles-Camilla-misery made a soap opera out of the british royal family. The Panorama-Interview did not anything good to that.
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Old 10-17-2009, 11:59 PM
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IMO the ROF was beginning to become a soap opera during the breakdown of the Snowdown marriage.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:36 PM
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I think she brought the royal family into the limelight that I don't think they would have had otherwise. Hopefully her boys and the rest of the family can continue it now.

The Royal Family always enjoyed the headlines here in the UK and until Diana and her 'snippets' to the press/author/panorama, it was normally good reports. IMO, she lowered the value of the Royal Family.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:49 PM
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Only her alone Skydragon honestly? Margaret and her affairs and divorce. Anne her affairs and divorce. Charles' affair and interview along with Diana's. And also Fergie's many indiscretions.

Diana caused embarrassment for the family but she was not the only one. Its not fair to put everything on her shoulders.
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:18 PM
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Annes' affairs?

Margaret and Charles did not co write a book full of half truths and imaginations, nor was the press full of Margarets outpourings of 'poor little me', so yes, she lowered the good opinion people had of the Royal Family.
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Well, it can't be said that the the RF had a good reputation in the days of George III's sons either, so in some ways it's very true that the more things change ( the RF's reputation), the more they stay the same, although those were the days when the press wasn't like today when everything becomes public.It was Queen Victoria who started the family image of the RF which has continued on down to the present day with Queen Elizabeth.However, Queen Victoria's son Edward VII was involved in stuff like the Tranby Croft case about gambling, and I thought was also implicated in some woman's divorce, although I can't remember the details. It appears the next generation of the RF will keep more of the family image than did Charles's generation of the RF. Diana certainly put the spotlight on the RF and it wasn't always in a good way, to be sure, but members of the RF in the past have done the same.
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Annes' affairs?

Margaret and Charles did not co write a book full of half truths and imaginations, nor was the press full of Margarets outpourings of 'poor little me', so yes, she lowered the good opinion people had of the Royal Family.
Affair, my mistake. Regardless of whether or not Margaret or Charles cowrote a book and what not, their indiscretions caused embarrassment for the family. And not everyone in Britain had a high opinion of TRF before Diana came into the picture. There are those who love and are devouted to the monarchy; and then there are others who are the complete opposite. And the rest couldn't care less.

Diana may have helped in the decrease of people's good opinion of the royal family but imo she was not the soul cause of that.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:45 PM
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Well, it can't be said that the the RF had a good reputation in the days of George III's sons either...
Sorry, but in my opinion you can't compare the situation with Diana with the old times like George III. or Edward VII. There was not much media at those times, no TV and they weren't much involved. Of course there were always scandals but in my opinion no other royal used the media that much like Diana did. As for the Panorama Intervew she surely didn't put the spotlight in a good way on the RF. It was selfish and childish, but thats just my opinion.
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It was Queen Victoria who started the family image of the RF which has continued on down to the present day with Queen Elizabeth.However, Queen Victoria's son Edward VII was involved in stuff like the Tranby Croft case about gambling, and I thought was also implicated in some woman's divorce, although I can't remember the details.------------and it wasn't always in a good way, to be sure, but members of the RF in the past have done the same.
Generations of royals worked hard to keep the royal family above scandal. The Baccarat scandal at Tranby Croft, involved the dishonesty of Gordon-Cumming, although the game was illegal, there was never any suggestion that the Prince of Wales was involved in the dishonesty. He had been called as a witness at Harriets divorce trial, where he denied anything improper had yaken place. Viscount Cole was the father of her child and the person cited in the divorce.

So on each occasion the Prince was dragged into the case, unlike Diana who, from the start actively courted the media and sought to influence the general public.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:51 AM
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Skydragon, just your avatar tells everybody whose side you´re on.
To blame Diana for all the scandals in the BRF is utterly affair. Like Sirhon, I also say there were many scandals before her. Nobody is blameless there, I´ve just seen a documentary called Royal Scandals in Discovery Channel and the bit shown yesterday showed how Princess Margaret carried on in Moustique Island. She certainly was no saint, just to name one.
I think that Diana was a human being so she had her good parts and bad parts. I still love her very much.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:21 AM
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To blame Diana for all the scandals in the BRF is utterly affair.
Could you highlight exactly where I have said that? I thought this thread was about when/why peoples opinions about Diana changed, therefore it tends to be Diana and some of the reasons I did not like her that I discuss.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:43 AM
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So on each occasion the Prince was dragged into the case, unlike Diana who, from the start actively courted the media and sought to influence the general public.
This I have to agree with. There were many people in the royal family who behaved inappropriately in the 80s and 90s, but I don't think one single member of the royal family courted the media as much as Diana. So many things that converged when Diana and Charles married. Society had changed and even people from noble families such as Diana's didn't seem to have an idea of how the royal family "worked" as an institution; the media was more intrusive than ever before and more fixated on the idea of "celebrity"; and Diana happened to be very beautiful and charismatic and the first Princess of Wales in nearly a century. The media loved Diana and she loved the media. I don't really think there is another comparable situation in the BRF and yes, I do think Diana damaged the monarchy by trying to glorify herself and drag down the royal family through carefully orchestrated appearances in the media.
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Well put, I quite agree with everything you said.
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It was the Panorama that changed my opinion of Diana. Some of the dark sides of her personality came through in that interview, particularly in the second half. Then that last summer, she vacationed with the Fayeds; and I had the feeling that she had learned nothing and was digging herself deeper in people's opinions. Her death was a shock in one way; but in another, I felt that she might have a tragic end someday because she was so reckless.



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As for the Panorama Intervew she surely didn't put the spotlight in a good way on the RF. It was selfish and childish, but thats just my opinion.
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