When did your opinion of Diana change and why?

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by Roslyn

My initial reaction is to say that this highlights the fact that Anne has been unfairly treated in the comparison with Diana because she was the real achiever, the one who had been working hard behind the scenes doing a real job to help the disadvantaged children, whereas Diana just swanned in, smiled, scooped up a child and had a photo taken, had a few words with the people running the establishment, smiled a lot for the cameras, and swanned out again moving onto her next project without doing anything of any real benefit. Well, I said it anyway because that is how I feel.

However I think I am being a bit unfair to Diana, because I do think she really cared but lacked the ability to do more than what she did. I've read that when she was young - I think it was in around her very early teens - she would visit nursing homes and help the residents, genuinely doing nice things for them and demonstrating real compassion. That's rare for young people, and it made me think Diana really had a good heart and cared. However I think she was limited by her intelligence and education to doing what she did. She wasn't a deep thinker and didn't take an intellectual approach to solving problems, and we know she didn't ask for advice. She thought hugging was important, and that if people were sad or sick you gave them a hug and that made them feel better. I am not a hugger, and when I'm sick I don't want to talk to nosy strangers about my predicament much less have them paw me. If I'm sick I want someone take steps to arrange for me to have the medicine I need to recover, but I think Diana really thought the hugging was a good idea and would help.

Roslyn, really good post. I do agree with you about how Anne has worked diligently and hard getting to the problem and working on a solution. She is famously 'capable", and I find it to one of her best qualities. She is a fabulous combination of her mother and her father; dare I say it, she could have been an excellent Queen.
I also agree with your assessment of Diana basically getting her photo took--especially when her marriage was headed downhill and she needed something to help to portray that "Saint Diana" image amid the dirtyness of the War of the Waleses.
But, I do think that at the beginning of her marriage she was looking for her niche and I do think that she felt passionately about visiting the sick. I read somewhere where when she couldn't sleep she'd go to the hospitals and find a patient who couldn't sleep and keep them company. And, she really reached out to AIDS victims--so even if she couldn't quite figure out what to do from an administrative standpoint, she did try to comfort people in her own way. I always thought it was very touching and selfless---UNTIL I saw an interview with Bashir or someone and she was talking about how her "touch brought a little girl out of a coma"--and it "scared her to think she had those abiltiies" or something like that. I didn't like it so much after that --- words like that are a little too convenient sometimes, in my own humble opinion.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

I also agree with your assessment of Diana basically getting her photo took--especially when her marriage was headed downhill and she needed something to help to portray that "Saint Diana" image amid the dirtyness of the War of the Waleses.
But, I do think that at the beginning of her marriage she was looking for her niche and I do think that she felt passionately about visiting the sick. I read somewhere where when she couldn't sleep she'd go to the hospitals and find a patient who couldn't sleep and keep them company. And, she really reached out to AIDS victims--so even if she couldn't quite figure out what to do from an administrative standpoint, she did try to comfort people in her own way. I always thought it was very touching and selfless---UNTIL I saw an interview with Bashir or someone and she was talking about how her "touch brought a little girl out of a coma"--and it "scared her to think she had those abiltiies" or something like that. I didn't like it so much after that --- words like that are a little too convenient sometimes, in my own humble opinion.

It's interesting to reread the Bashir-interview again, when it comes to that topic:

BASHIR: At this early stage in your marriage, what role did you see for yourself as Princess of Wales? Did you have an idea of the role that you might like to fulfil?
DIANA: No, I was very confused by which area I should go into. Then I found myself being more and more involved with people who were rejected by society - with, I'd say, drug addicts, alcoholism, battered this, battered that - and I found an affinity there.
And I respected very much the honesty I found on that level with people I met, because in hospices, for instance, when people are dying they're much more open and more vulnerable, and much more real than other people. And I appreciated that.
BASHIR: Had the Palace given any thought to the role that you might have as Princess of Wales?
DIANA: No, no one sat me down with a piece of paper and said: `This is what is expected of you.' But there again, I'm lucky enough in the fact that I have found my role, and I'm very conscious of it, and I love being with people.
BASHIR: So you very much created the role that you would pursue for yourself really? That was what you did?
DIANA: I think so. I remember when I used to sit on hospital beds and hold people's hands, people used to be sort of shocked because they said they'd never seen this before, and to me it was quite a normal thing to do.
And when I saw the reassurance that an action like that gave, I did it everywhere, and will always do that.

And a bit later - about her bulimia and her bouts of vomiting:


BASHIR: How often would you do that on a daily basis?
DIANA: Depends on the pressures going on. If I'd been on what I call an awayday, or I'd been up part of the country all day, I'd come home feeling pretty empty, because my engagements at that time would be to do with people dying, people very sick, people's marriage problems, and I'd come home and it would be very difficult to know how to comfort myself having been comforting lots of other people, so it would be a regular pattern to jump into the fridge.



I don't really undertsand what she is saying here: OTOH she says she created her role of "Saint Diana" herself and then she says she was bulimic because of all the comfort she gave to others and received none for herself. I mean, she need not have done all that or so much of it if it made her sich. Don't understand her, really. Same on reading the transcripts from the Morton-tapes: she is constantly interpreting the information she gives in order to make her appear a victim when OTOH she says herself that it was all her choice.


Another thing from the Panorama-interview:
You're effectively living separate lives, yet in public there's this appearance of this happily married royal couple. How was this regarded by the Royal Family?
DIANA: I think everybody was very anxious because they could see there were complications but didn't want to interfere, but were there, made it known that they were there if required.

And then:

BASHIR: The Queen described 1992 as her `annus horribilis', and it was in that year that Andrew Morton's book about you was published. Did you ever meet Andrew Morton or personally help him with the book?
DIANA: I never met him, no.
BASHIR: Did you ever personally assist him with the writing of his book?
DIANA: A lot of people saw the distress that my life was in, and they felt it was a supportive thing to help in the way that they did.
BASHIR: Did you allow your friends, your close friends, to speak to Andrew Morton?
DIANA: Yes, I did. Yes, I did.
BASHIR: Why?
DIANA: I was at the end of my tether. I was desperate.
I think I was so fed up with being seen as someone who was a basket-case, because I am a very strong person and I know that causes complications in the system that I live in.
BASHIR: How would a book change that?
DIANA: I don't know. Maybe people have a better understanding, maybe there's a lot of women out there who suffer on the same level but in a different environment, who are unable to stand up for themselves because their self-esteem is cut into two. I don't know.
BASHIR: What effect do you think the book had on your husband and the Royal Family?
DIANA: I think they were shocked and horrified and very disappointed.
BASHIR: Can you understand why?
DIANA: I think Mr Dimbleby's book was a shock to a lot of people and disappointment as well.


I read it that even though the RF offered help, Diana did not take it. She knew that the RF would be "shocked and horrified and very disappointed" but because she had been shocked about the Dimbleby-book it was okay to collaborate - even though she still lies about the amount for collaboration she had given to the book. She says:

Did you ever meet Andrew Morton or personally help him with the book? DIANA: I never met him, no.
BASHIR: Did you ever personally assist him with the writing of his book?
DIANA: A lot of people saw the distress that my life was in, and they felt it was a supportive thing to help in the way that they did.

And when you read what she said about her tears and tantrums she trew, I think it's pretty clear why that marriage became a bit crowded by his lover and her lovers...

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

I read somewhere where when she couldn't sleep she'd go to the hospitals and find a patient who couldn't sleep and keep them company.

I thought that was the story she put about to cover first her infatuation and then affair with Hasnat Khan.

Whilst many people may have been comforted by her visits,I wonder how many AIDS patients were persuaded to have their picture taken with her, it was after all back in the dark ages when people tried to keep it hush hush!.

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

I thought that was the story she put about to cover first her infatuation and then affair with Hasnat Khan.

Whilst many people may have been comforted by her visits,I wonder how many AIDS patients were persuaded to have their picture taken with her, it was after all back in the dark ages when people tried to keep it hush hush!.

Skydragon, you're brilliant. Of course she used it as an excuse to conveniently show up when Hasnat was there. Typical school-girl type infatuation maneuvers (we all are guilty in some way of these) but I never even thought of the AIDs patients-the photos, that is.
I'm not so sure I would want anyone hugging me and hanging out in my hospital room--I firmly believe in personal space, I'm not a hugger, nor a handholder (well, with my hubby I am )
so, I wonder how many people really wanted that type of intrusion regardless if she was the Princess of Wales? Of course, it was a genius marketing plan that helped futher the "Saint Diana" image.

[TheTruth]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

Skydragon, you're brilliant. Of course she used it as an excuse to conveniently show up when Hasnat was there. Typical school-girl type infatuation maneuvers (we all are guilty in some way of these) but I never even thought of the AIDs patients-the photos, that is.
I'm not so sure I would want anyone hugging me and hanging out in my hospital room--I firmly believe in personal space, I'm not a hugger, nor a handholder (well, with my hubby I am )
so, I wonder how many people really wanted that type of intrusion regardless if she was the Princess of Wales? Of course, it was a genius marketing plan that helped futher the "Saint Diana" image.

Definitely. Although, most of the time she was presented to some really ill people who don't have much life left. These people are, globally, happy to see some well-known person ; it's like a nice surprise or at least an event that can only do you some good. I don't see many patients refusing to meet her but I understand the unease state you may encounter while shaking hands and being hugged.

[love_cc]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

BASHIR: How would a book change that?
DIANA: I don't know. Maybe people have a better understanding, maybe there's a lot of women out there who suffer on the same level but in a different environment, who are unable to stand up for themselves because their self-esteem is cut into two. I don't know.
BASHIR: What effect do you think the book had on your husband and the Royal Family?
DIANA: I think they were shocked and horrified and very disappointed.
BASHIR: Can you understand why?
DIANA: I think Mr Dimbleby's book was a shock to a lot of people and disappointment as well.

thanks for the transcript, Jo of Palatine. I would never have patience to watch this interview again except the clips . I found some of her replies were notable as well. She did not answer whether she understood why the royals were shocked and horrified by Morton book but adding Dimbleby's book in this diaglogue. In a way, she found Prince Charles as the same position to justify her own behaviour.

[Queen Amina]

Hello, all I just found this thread and would like to post my opinion. I was never a fan of Diana's as I only became aware of her in 1992 in the middle of the whole 'War of the Waleses' and she seemed to me even then to be a bit disingenuous. I always saw her actions as manipulative and self serving. My mom, my grand mother and stp-grandmother all had horrible marriages and suffered a lot and so I saw her litte 'victim' act as disgusting because I knew people who were even in worse pain than she. Now with the benefit of growing up I have more sympathy for her situation but my general opinin of her hasn't changed. She seemed to just blame everyone else for her problems and even worse she seemed to be lying to herself as well and that I can never sympathise with. I think she tryed to manipulate the situation to her advantage with the help of selective reasoning and I believe it hurt her and her children in the end.

[MARG]

I loved the Royal Family and thought Prince Charles was a wonderful young man, albeit a little too serious, so it was not surprising that I bought into the whole "Fairytale" deal (merange wedding gown notwithstanding). I met them when they came to NZ along with Prince William and was stunned at how charasmatic Princess Diana was. I was also charmed by Prince Charles obvious adulation/infatuation with his wife. I am not quite sure when I my opinion started to change, but probably when she started to deliberately upstage Prince Charles. By the time the Morton book was released I thought she was a self-centered narcisist at best and an amoral nitwit at worst.

For all her "tragic wronged wife" routine she was totally indifferent to the hurt and betrayal she visited on the wives of the men with which she became infatuated. The fact that she was the "other woman" in Will Carling's divorce hardly helped with her image, only this time the scorned wife (Julia) also had an adoring public and publicly damned (justifiably) Diana for her hypocrisy. She had absolutely no pity for them and yet she expected her adoring public to forgive her every move.

Her constant whining about being a the product of a disfunctional family and the wounded child of divorce made my blood boil. There were thousands of children just like her except Diana's life was insulated by money and position, her standard of living didn't drop nor did she have to change schools or worse, leave her private school for a state school in a less than salubrious suburb.

Her contention that the BRF prevented her from realising her potential was a scream. The best she could have hoped for was to marry a man of title and to continue her life as a Sloan Ranger, doing lunch and cruising boutiques.

Strangely enough, Diana's life of luxury holidays, high profile affairs and distancing herself from the Press was starting to rebound on her. More than a few papers were running critical articles about her new lifestyle.

IMO most were probably motivated by the fact that Dodi's money ensured her more distance from the paparazzi than she had previously allowed (much the same as Aristotle Onassis did for Jaqui Kennedy). She bit the hand that fed her, so to speak, and they were starting to bite back.

Come the the news of the accident and subsequent death of Diana the media did a 180 degree turn showing clips from the Panorama interview with "Shy-Di" wanting only to be "Queen of Hearts". Overnight a Saint was born!

[Menarue]

I voted "other" because I found the book "Diana in Private" written by Lady Colin Campbell an eye opener and that was written some time before all the sentimentality cropped up after her unfortunate death. I was surprised also to hear that she failed all her subjects even though she was at a private school where distractions are at a minimum, she repeated them and failed them ALL again.
Then after her death I read another book called "Shadow of a Princess" written by her former private secretary and it showed what a difficult person she was. She knew how to capture the attention of photographers and courted them even when complaining, ironically I think that this fascination with being the object of attention led to her untimely death. She was unstable and the royal family just didn´t know how to deal with her. I think it was a shame that she married Prince Charles, she may have turned out completely differently if she had married someone else - but who knows.

[TheTruth]

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[LOSSEAN]

I love the Royal Family and I love Diana, first because she was a member of the Royal family and then because of herself. I think she is a lovely person and it is unfortunate her royal marriage did not work out, but without it we might not have come to know her and all the wonderful things she stood for especially in the field of charity work. I think of her whenever I read about her sons and I know she is indeed a special mother because of the wonderful tribute they did in 'Concert for Diana'.

[Keenie]

I am an older woman and I have to say my opinion of Diana started with "what a charming young woman" to "What a beautiful woman inside and out". It was the the things Diana did wrong that endeared her to me. I think the most important thing to Diana was her role of being a Mother to her children and she did a great job. Having a chump like Charles for a husband must have been a slap in the face to her and quite frankly, I am glad there are still 3 people in that marriage. I wonder how Camilla feels about that? Diana was endearing when she was at her very worst. My opinion has not wavered.

[Amelia]

My opinion changed after the her affairs became public knowledge. Diana had never really interested me at all but my aunt had the Morton book and I just decided to read it one day. After I finished it I did pity her a little; being cheated on by your husband/boyfriend is a horrible thing to experience but I was still pretty much indifferent to her. When it came out that she had her own affairs what little pity I did have for her disappeared quickly, not because she had her own relationships outside her marriage but because she had the audacity to play the "poor me, my husband had an affair" card yet neglected to include her own. He had his affair, she had hers, neither one of them was perfect and her constant attempts to convince people otherwise made me dislike her immensely.

[Charli.Just]

My son called me, told me that the Princess had been in an accident, then I flipped the t.v. and saw the news for myself. I wasn't a fan, like a die-hard fan, but it hurt terrible inside. It was just last year that I somehow got into her public good works. Maybe it's the longevity of her fame that has something to do with it, or maybe it took me this long to realize something -

we are worse off without her...

[Lady Jamie]

Diana showed us that she was human like everyone else. Maybe if she had gotten help, and had better thoughts, what kind of path could she have taken? But we can play the what if games. I admired her ability to work with people in her charities and showed her caring side. I think that is the highlight that everyone remembers that outshines the bad.