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View Poll Results: Was someone feeding Diana false information
Yes, after the Morton book the RF was testing whether she was collaborating with the press 3 7.32%
Yes, during the divorce proceedings the RF wanted to make her appear unstable and weaken her position 5 12.20%
Yes, during her marriage someone other than the RF wanted to hurt Diana by planting false stories with her 6 14.63%
No, I don't believe anyone was trying to plant false information with Diana 19 46.34%
Other (please explain your reasons0 8 19.51%
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Old 01-25-2008, 05:48 AM
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No psychic visits here either. I am agree with Skydragon and others. None of us will probably never know for sure though.
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Old 01-25-2008, 10:15 AM
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Again a portion of the inquest transcripts of COMMANDER PATRICK JEPHSON being questioned about Diana, Princess of Wales and how he thinks false information was given her.

Q. At page 82 of your book, please -- you have been asked
22 about this passage already -- this is the passage in
23 which the subject of astrology was discussed between you
24 and the Princess:
25 "It also undermined her sense of the ridiculous.

171

1 'Do you know', she said to me one day in June 1992, 'my
2 astrologer says my husband will never be king'. That
3 may have been exactly what she wanted to hear at the
4 time, but it did not appear to alter her husband's daily
5 routine one jot. Yet she continued to heed her
6 astrologer's predictions, the more dire, the better,
7 particularly where the Prince was concerned. Sure
8 enough she was rewarded with regular forecasts of
9 helicopter crashes, skiing accidents and other
10 calamities that obstinately refused to befall him, much
11 to her relief I have no doubt."
12 Then to 287, please. The paragraph just above the
13 halfway line:
14 "Her quest for personal growth took her into a whole
15 range of areas including astrology, reflexology, colonic
16 irrigation, massage, fitness training, soothsaying and
17 psychoanalysis. Advice of wildly differing quality
18 poured in. She was unrestrained in her appetite for it.
19 Apart from her children and her public duties,
20 I sometimes felt it took up the rest of her life.
21 "I am sure that in isolation many of the
22 practitioners she consulted were sources of
23 professional, honourable and valid advice, but in
24 combination they represented a bewildering cocktail of
25 emotional stimuli which robbed her of equilibrium at

172

1 times of stress and dissipated her powers of
2 concentration. They fed the paranoia that never lurked
3 far below the well-groomed surface and they provided as
4 many opportunities for mischief as for wholesome
5 thoughts and actions."

To me this answers who fed the paranoid Princess false informtion.
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Old 01-25-2008, 10:55 AM
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Again a portion of the inquest transcripts of COMMANDER PATRICK JEPHSON being questioned about Diana, Princess of Wales and how he thinks false information was given her.

Q. At page 82 of your book, please -- you have been asked
22 about this passage already -- this is the passage in
23 which the subject of astrology was discussed between you
24 and the Princess:
25 "It also undermined her sense of the ridiculous.

171

1 'Do you know', she said to me one day in June 1992, 'my
2 astrologer says my husband will never be king'. That
3 may have been exactly what she wanted to hear at the
4 time, but it did not appear to alter her husband's daily
5 routine one jot. Yet she continued to heed her
6 astrologer's predictions, the more dire, the better,
7 particularly where the Prince was concerned. Sure
8 enough she was rewarded with regular forecasts of
9 helicopter crashes, skiing accidents and other
10 calamities that obstinately refused to befall him, much
11 to her relief I have no doubt."
12 Then to 287, please. The paragraph just above the
13 halfway line:
14 "Her quest for personal growth took her into a whole
15 range of areas including astrology, reflexology, colonic
16 irrigation, massage, fitness training, soothsaying and
17 psychoanalysis. Advice of wildly differing quality
18 poured in. She was unrestrained in her appetite for it.
19 Apart from her children and her public duties,
20 I sometimes felt it took up the rest of her life.
21 "I am sure that in isolation many of the
22 practitioners she consulted were sources of
23 professional, honourable and valid advice, but in
24 combination they represented a bewildering cocktail of
25 emotional stimuli which robbed her of equilibrium at

172

1 times of stress and dissipated her powers of
2 concentration. They fed the paranoia that never lurked
3 far below the well-groomed surface and they provided as
4 many opportunities for mischief as for wholesome
5 thoughts and actions."

To me this answers who fed the paranoid Princess false informtion.
To me, "Charles will never be the King", "Queen will abdicate next summer", "helicopter crashes, skiing accidents, car accidents will happen", all were kind of prediction, which were very likely come from psychis, but "Tiggy had an affair with Charles", "Tiggy had an abortion" these sounded like things had already happened. I think psychi would tell Diana what would happen in the future, but I doubt they would tell her what had happened already.
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Old 01-25-2008, 03:39 PM
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To me, "Charles will never be the King", "Queen will abdicate next summer", "helicopter crashes, skiing accidents, car accidents will happen", all were kind of prediction, which were very likely come from psychis, but "Tiggy had an affair with Charles", "Tiggy had an abortion" these sounded like things had already happened. I think psychi would tell Diana what would happen in the future, but I doubt they would tell her what had happened already.
Except they hadn't already happened. I am surprised that anyone would take anything told to them by psychics, without the statutory barrel of salt, now that is scary!
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Old 01-25-2008, 05:32 PM
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Except they hadn't already happened.
I knew someone would got confused by my post .

Allegations like "Charles would never be the King," "Queen would abdicate next fall" or "Diana would have a accident" were kind of prediction.

But allegations like "Charles had a affair with Tiggy" and "Tiggy had a abortion" were not prediction. Diana saw these not as prediction, but some kind of fact which had already happened.

My point is, while the first three allegations sounded very much like words from a psychi, but "Charles had a affair with Tiggy" and "Tiggy had an abortion" didn't.
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:37 PM
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I don't think it was out of line for the Royal family to test Diana's loyalty. She betrayed them by not playing "the game" in knowing her "place" and just how far she could go with revelations of herself and of those around her. Diana did not understand the implications for both upstaging Her Majesty The Queen and the Prince of Wales and attempting to create her own court/powerbase.

We have to realize these "pyschics" were presented to her by people she trusted (Prince Andrew and Sarah) and in times of extreme stress (like Penny Thornton)....I think "psychics" use techniques and powerful suggestion leaving the client wanting more creating a dependence upon future predictions...
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I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.
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Old 01-25-2008, 09:30 PM
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I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.
I really don't think she would like to hear that she would died in an car accident or holicopter accident. And it seems that she was quite sure about that.
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I really don't think she would like to hear that she would died in an car accident or holicopter accident. And it seems that she was quite sure about that.
But it seems she was willing to (or wanted to) believe, not that it would be an accident, but that there were people who actually would stage such things.
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:49 AM
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I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.

I believe that Diana, Princess Of Wales was a person who was guided by her emotions and not a critical thinker. If she was a critical thinker her life would have been different. I really believe she relied on her psychics' information to guide her. If you look at the videos in the Dr. Khan thread most of her friends talking in them are her former psychics.
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Old 01-26-2008, 08:55 AM
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I've had my Tarot read. It didn't tell me much but the guy who read the Tarot did make an interesting observation. He said that based on the way I was dealing the cards he got a strong feeling I should be careful with my money. I was quite taken aback; in fact I was having financial difficulties at the time. There must have been something on my face because he quickly explained that the way I handled the cards was similar to the way people handled dollar bills and that when I dealt the cards it looked like I was throwing them away and he got the feeling that I had done that with dollar bills. I reflected later on what he said because there was a lot of truth in it. I don't believe he was a psychic but I do believe he was very observant and very perceptive of people's body language and their nonverbal communication. So I do think he could tell a lot about people's emotions, their fears and desires just by observing them.

I imagine Simone was the same way with Diana. I think Simone was probably knowledgeable about Diana's innermost fears and desires at the time they were friends simply because if she couldn't pick that up from Diana's nonverbal cues, she wouldn't have been a very good psychic. That doesn't necessarily make Diana's fears and desires come true; it just means that Diana truly believed them. I think from Diana's point of view, the connection she gained from psychics was less that she depended on them to predict the future for her and more that she wanted to connect with people who understood her innermost thoughts and feelings. I imagine that she did feel a disconnect that the Royal Family didn't understand her or care about her innermost thoughts and feelings and that she couldn't really relate to theirs. I imagine she felt the same way with her family and that lack of connection made her feel very lonely. Connecting to psychics who are very good at making this spiritual connection must have been very affirming for her.

Someone asked why Diana would want to believe that someone was out to kill her, its not as simple as that. When you have a fear, sometimes the last thing you want to hear is 'Oh its all in your head' or 'Don't worry, its nothing' Sometimes all you want is for someone else to affirm and validate what you are thinking and feeling at the time even if what you are thinking and feeling isn't very pleasant. I had that experience when I was young in the business world and I felt that the head of another department was sabotaging my efforts on a big project that I was doing. I and my colleagues complained a lot to our boss and she kept saying, No, I think she dpesn't mean anything by it, No, I think its perfectly natural for her to do this. and finally at one point right before I was going to make a big presentation I stood up to my boss and said No, I don't believe it because she is doing this, this, this, and this. And my boss gave me the most frozen smile I have ever seen in my life and whispered through clenched teeth 'guys, work with me here. I'm trying to make this relationship work and its very difficult' My stress level dropped immediately. I got affirmation that my boss saw the problem and that she saw the difficulty in handling it. I may have disagreed with the way she was handling it but at least on this, I had affirmation from her that I was not making things up in my head, that there really was a problem with this other woman. Actually later I found that the other woman had tried to encroach on our department's territory and so there was a bit of a turf war and the rest of the company was more sympathetic to the other woman than to my boss. So there were a lot of other factors going on and it took awhile for my boss to figure out a strategy to handle it. But it wasn't important to me that my boss have the answers, and I definitely didn't want to hear that everything was alright but it was important that she affirmed and validated what we believed. That gave us strength of purpose to carry on in a very difficult environment.

However, I think its very wrong and dangerous to blindly affirm and support others deepest fears when they are very harmful. It is a balancing act because sometimes husbands have killed their ex-wives so you never want to say, oh you're being silly. On the other hand, its very damaging to keep saying yes, yes, I believe you. no, no, you're not crazy at all when someone makes these serious allegations. What Simone and others should have influenced Diana to do is to confront her fears and do something constructive about them. If Diana feared for her life, why didn't someone put her in touch with a respected and retired homicide detective who was experienced in listening to stories like Diana's and advising them and helping them to follow up if there was sufficient cause for concern? Why didn't they press on her for the need for her to hire her own security? Why didn't they encourage her to reach out to Ken Wharfe who had protected her before and she had a good relationship with and I think was retired at the point? I think its very dangerous to affirm other people's deepest fears when they involve murder without giving them constructive ways to deal with that fear. Maybe Simone and others made these suggestions to Diana and she refused but I think if that had been the case, if I had really been Diana's friend and I saw her disregard friend's sensible advice when it involved something so serious, I would have been sorely tempted to go to the police myself and tell them about the situation and ask them to look into it. And if the police refused to do so, I may have turned to the press.
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I just saw an excerpt from a programme featuring one of Diana's psychic's and having watched the woman, the only polite thing I can think to say about Diana at that time, would see me thrown off the forum.. have a look at the woman yourselves...
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. My point is, while the first three allegations sounded very much like words from a psychi, but "Charles had a affair with Tiggy" and "Tiggy had an abortion" didn't.
These were her own assertions without solid/substantive evidence to support. I would, she had a small voice in her mind to tell her to believe these things were true, but others were not. For me, I would say, after the internal investigation conducted by Robert Fellows and the consistency of Charles's charaters and behaviors, Diana should have never take these allegations as facts.
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If psychics were telling Diana what they thought she wanted to know, or planting false stories to keep her off-balance and dependent on them, I think that's very unprofessional and very sad but not altogether unexpected. One of the problems that seems to beset royals is the issue of hangers-on who will do anything to stay within the royal "charmed circle" - witness Lady Fermoy's turning against her own daughter and then her own granddaughter in order to stay in the royal good books. And sometimes this sort of sycophancy can be positively damaging, as opposed to just being faintly distasteful.

I'm sure that if Diana's various healers were feeding her incorrect information, they weren't trying to necessarily make trouble for her or for the royal family, but were looking after their own interests. Unfortunately, Diana seemed to be unusually susceptible to this sort of suggestion, and it looks as though some of it might have really caused problems.

I very much doubt that she was being fed stuff about the Queen abdicating or Charles wanting to renounce the throne by royal officials, and I expect she'd have seen through it if the press had tried to feed her that sort of line - but it isn't beyond the realms of the possible that her various psychics and healers and whatnot were giving her all sorts of poison disguised as genuine concern.
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I find it hard to dismiss the possibility of some advisor in Charles' camp floating ideas that would damage Diana's credibility when they were leaked. I don't think Charles would have done anything like this himself, but the men in gray suits, who knows. Further, Diana was hurt and embarrassed and probably sought solace in psychics and retribution in the press.

How sad that it all had to end in such pain for all involved.
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In certain social circles, having gurus or psychics for amusement or information purposes seemed to have been accepted without even the crinkle of an eyebrow. During the same time that Diana was seeing a "spook" (albeit a well dressed and well mannered and socially accepted woman such as Penny Thornton) First Lady Nancy Reagan also was consulting her astrologers to guide her husband in making decisions for an entire nation!

I believe, in my mind, information was going through Sarah and Andrew to Penny Thornton to calm and placate Diana and to keep her "managed".

Ms. Thornton wrote a book about her experiences with Diana and a huge portion of her personal website features her realtionship to Diana....


I think we have to realize that a huge percentage of the "self-help" books and programs we have at our disposal now were not written yet and that some of the problems Diana had (like Bulimia) were topics that held a moral judgement or seemed to be a character flaw and not a treatable or even noticable medical condition.

We also have to realize Diana was not interested in staying in a marriage that was causing her unhappiness and HMTQ was all about the keeping up of appearances not to cause a huge Church of England problem with the divorced heir issue...

If it took Diana going to see a cadre of fortune tellers to keep her within the Windsor realm, I'm sure the courtiers were more than happy with something like that.
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In certain social circles, having gurus or psychics for amusement or information purposes seemed to have been accepted without even the crinkle of an eyebrow. During the same time that Diana was seeing a "spook" (albeit a well dressed and well mannered and socially accepted woman such as Penny Thornton) First Lady Nancy Reagan also was consulting her astrologers to guide her husband in making decisions for an entire nation!.
Interesting point pinkie. The Royal Family has always favored alternative homeopathic medicine although the major medical authorities thought it was a quack.

So maybe they weren't as skeptical of psychics as the general population.
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Interesting point pinkie. The Royal Family has always favored alternative homeopathic medicine although the major medical authorities thought it was a quack.

So maybe they weren't as skeptical of psychics as the general population.
A belief in Homeopathy is far removed from a belief in psychics and fortune-tellers.
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In certain social circles, having gurus or psychics for amusement or information purposes seemed to have been accepted without even the crinkle of an eyebrow.
I doubt that it was seen as acceptable here, people who visit that type of person are normally seen as 'challenged'.
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I think Diana was happy with the separation but didn't want a divorce.
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If it took Diana going to see a cadre of fortune tellers to keep her within the Windsor realm, I'm sure the courtiers were more than happy with something like that.
Or perhaps it was Diana's choice to see and believe these people, feeding them her worries for them to magnify out of all proportion?

Why is it always someone else to blame and not Diana?
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I doubt that it was seen as acceptable here, people who visit that type of person are normally seen as 'challenged'.I think Diana was happy with the separation but didn't want a divorce.Or perhaps it was Diana's choice to see and believe these people, feeding them her worries for them to magnify out of all proportion?

Why is it always someone else to blame and not Diana?
Perhaps but you forget that it was Fergie who first introduced Diana to these people. Okay, after it was up to her to still consult them but it's easy to become dependent of psychics because they tell you what you want to hear.
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