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Old 07-01-2017, 07:18 AM
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I find that Panorama interview difficult to watch. Diana, IMHO, comes off as whiney and unpleasant. I'd rather remember her as a buoyant and graceful do-gooder, even if it's a limited aspect of her personality.
it was a part of her, just as the unhappy, slightly paranoid side was also a part of her. She was a good worker for charity causes, she had a real sympathy for people in need and she did her best to help them. She also was a little crazy, at times...having lived under severe stress for many years. Both parts of her are real, and the one does not negate the other.
but I do fautlt her a bit, no matter how unhappy she was, for attacking Charles as she did. He did push "his side" of the story a bit, through is friends and directly himself in the Dimbleby book, but I don't think that he saw her through quite the same distorted lens as she saw him.. I think some of his friends DID label her as "really bonkers" in talking to the press...but I think he was reluctant to do so and did not attack her in quite the way she attacked him..
I think that most of us have known times in marriage when there are bad times and one may not see one's partner in a good light.. whether it gets to the point of divorce or not..but most of us don't write books or put out an attack on the partner, publicly...
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:20 AM
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it was a part of her, just as the unhappy, slightly paranoid side was also a part of her. She was a good worker for charity causes, she had a real sympathy for people in need and she did her best to help them. She also was a little crazy, at times...having lived under severe stress for many years. Both parts of her are real, and the one does not negate the other.
but I do fautlt her a bit, no matter how unhappy she was, for attacking Charles as she did. He did push "his side" of the story a bit, through is friends and directly himself in the Dimbleby book, but I don't think that he saw her through quite the same distorted lens as she saw him.. I think some of his friends DID label her as "really bonkers" in talking to the press...but I think he was reluctant to do so and did not attack her in quite the way she attacked him..
I think that most of us have known times in marriage when there are bad times and one may not see one's partner in a good light.. whether it gets to the point of divorce or not..but most of us don't write books or put out an attack on the partner, publicly...
Diana was a very young girl when she married Charles. He should have never even thought about marrying her in the first place. It was a marriage doomed from the start. Charles should have shown some balls and stood up to his bully daddy and married the woman he actually loved. I can't fault Diana for going "bonkers" because she was in a loveless marriage and under so much stress and everyone around her (her family, the queen, her ridiculous husband) expected her to buck up and take the abuse they meted out without question. It must have been horrible for her. I felt sorry for her then and I still do. I just cannot get over my dislike of Charles and Camilla. He was and is an arrogant, mean, unfeeling man and Camilla was a snake. Now, 20 years later, everybody is trying to change the story. I don't believe for a minute they had nothing to do with this Junor biography. They did and it was timed to make them both look good. It's making me stabby.
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Old 07-01-2017, 10:26 AM
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What abuse?
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It's a pity that we will not see a full, "raw" interview

<<As reckless as Diana was, she always reined in her remarks concerning the Queen and the Queen Mother. It is ironic that during the television interview that proved to be her royal nemesis, only her response concerning the Queen Mother was cut from the hour-long chat. She would not be drawn into answering Martin Bashir’s questions about the Queen Mother’s role in orchestrating the marriage and the help, or lack of it, she gave when Diana first entered the Royal family. Hesitant about attacking, however obliquely, the supreme national treasure, Diana was opaque, merely saying that the Queen Mother had been “very busy and did not have much time to help”.
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Diana may have skirted around discussing the Queen and the Queen Mum with the Panorama interview but one thing hit me that really struck out at the Queen and the DoE is that the Panorama interview was aired on Nov. 20th which is their wedding anniversary. Planned? Can't say for sure on that one but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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About the light hearted moment when Bashir pressed for the number of calls made to Oliver Hoare...somewhat trivial nonsense in the scheme of things back then. That said, the way she offered the denial, casting doubt on who made the calls, and her being a touch uncomfortable, was the 'most' entertaining and enjoyable part of the interview imo.

The reaction by the BRF - surely turned out to be a watershed moment..of egos bruised and a sense of betrayal deep enough that they would never allow themselves to see it as anything but a M-A-J-O-R breach of protocol.

For people that never met Diana, Bashir largely succeeded in capturing a side to her that we otherwise would not have seen. Is she melodramatic or creative at times, of course. Don't forget it was considered must-watch television when it aired. The public got to see a very personal side to her, that they otherwise would not have seen.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:53 PM
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About the light hearted moment when Bashir pressed for the number of calls made to Oliver Hoare...somewhat trivial nonsense in the scheme of things back then. That said, the way she offered the denial, casting doubt on who made the calls, and her being a touch uncomfortable, was the 'most' entertaining and enjoyable part of the interview imo.

The reaction by the BRF - surely turned out to be a watershed moment..of egos bruised and a sense of betrayal deep enough that they would never allow themselves to see it as anything but a M-A-J-O-R breach of protocal.

For people that never met Diana, Bashir largely succeeded in capturing a very personal side that we otherwise would not have seen. Is she melodramatic or creative at times, of course. Don't forget it was considered must-watch television when it aired. The public got to see a very personal side to her, that they otherwise would not have seen.
The heavy eye make-up with the "doe eyes" way of having her head down and looking up at Bashir was off-putting. As HM would say, it was a stunt.
I watched it when it aired, and I didn't think Diana looked attractive in the film. I was shocked.

The eye make-up was my number one focus at the time I watched it. I couldn't believe a woman would go on television with that ghoulish look. I wish I could say I was taking other, more meaningful aspects of the interview into account, but I wasn't. She looked bad.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:34 PM
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I watched it when it aired, and I didn't think Diana looked attractive in the film. I was shocked.

The eye make-up was my number one focus at the time I watched it. I couldn't believe a woman would go on television with that ghoulish look. I wish I could say I was taking other, more meaningful aspects of the interview into account, but I wasn't. She looked bad.
Knowing the discussion would be more on the serious side, the idea of radiating sunshine with either body language or fashion, would not have served her well imo. This was also a different woman from the youthful one we saw years earlier. Tormented about events past and present, a subdued expression was apparent, as you highlight. When she did manage to laugh a little, a good deal of the charm seemed to return.
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