The Late Diana, Princess of Wales News & Questions Thread 8: June 2008- 2020


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You can make up after a person dies - with honors that they know the loed one would have loved to get, even if you had hasty last words with them right before they died.

If Prince William will honor his mother with HRH let is be. He will honor ALL his relatives, because he loves them. Let us disagree to agree Skydragon and others with this same point of view. Let us wait till the future and see what King William does.:flowers:
 
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Not georgia, but I think William's acension will make Diana the King's mother, even though she is gone. It would be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH.
 
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georgiea said:
Does anybody else feel when Prince William becomes King he might honor his mother with HRH title?:flowers:
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Well, I don't think the Princess needs an HRH now. I doubt in Heaven there is any need for an HRH but if William wants to restore his mother's HRH, he has every right to.
 
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sirhon11234 said:
Well, I don't think the Princess needs an HRH now. I doubt in Heaven there is any need for an HRH but if William wants to restore his mother's HRH, he has every right to.
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Yes, he may be able to, but as you are one of the reasonable Diana posters on here, (and yes there are quite a few who are willing to 'talk' rather than shout), I would ask you, what difference do you think it would make? :flowers:

To me, it doesn't make any difference, but.... In 40-50 years time, if William is made King, many who haven't heard any of the story will only have read about Williams mother. Over these years, she will be listed without an HRH and that will make no difference to those who read about her. Do you feel she needs an HRH for people to be able to remember the charity work and good parts of her life? Many of the ardent supporters may themselves have been involved in marriage breakups and time and experience does change most people's views. She will be a small chapter in the history of the Royal Family and if she is suddenly given posthumously an HRH, not only will it not alter anything, a lot of people will reason that it is not worth raking all that up again. It could also cause a great deal of turmoil to the start of Williams reign.
georgiea said:
You can make up after a person dies - with honors that they know the loved one would have loved to get, even if you had hasty last words with them right before they died.
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I am a great believer in, once someone is dead, it is too late. The only one to benefit from that is the person who believes saying sorry at the graveside makes up for anything nasty they may have done If it eases their sense of guilt, then they weren't that bothered to start with. :flowers:
 
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I'm quite perplexed by the suggestion that William might restore his mother's HRH. It might be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH, but only the living can have styles, and she didn't have it when she died and unless she is resurrected she can't get it again. Death is final. End of story.
 
I'm not even sure that on William's ascension all people will even realise that the then Dowager or late queen was not William's mother, especially if Charles lives to an old age with his current wife by his side. I believe these Camilla-Diana comparisons will stop once Camilla is queen and the interest in a dead princess will wane when there is a living queen and probably a living new Princess of Wales around. And once the media stops rehashing old stories, then people will be able to let go, I think.
 
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IMO she has no use for it now that she has been gone for almost 11 years.
 
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Roslyn said:
I'm quite perplexed by the suggestion that William might restore his mother's HRH. It might be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH, but only the living can have styles, and she didn't have it when she died and unless she is resurrected she can't get it again. Death is final. End of story.
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Why perplexed? Should he ever decide to do it, it would simply be a way of honoring his mother's memory. End of story. I don't understand why the mere suggestion of it is cause for alarm.
 
One doesn't honor a person's memory with an HRH. The HRH status is for living members of the Royal Family who are undertaking to be part of the Firm with all that entails.

Its not the mark of personal distinction but a mark of those whose lives are expected to be devoted to royal service. Not only is Diana dead, but towards the end of her life, Diana showed that she hated living within the restrictions of the Firm and she made public moves against the Firm.

A group hardly confers a sign of membership to a person who has shown disdain for the other fellow members or who has cast bad press about the group itself.

Its like rewarding someone who has given you a slap in the face.
 
There are many ways to honor someone and it is a personal choice. It will be William's decision to make, or not, when the time comes.
 
Quote:I am a great believer in, once someone is dead, it is too late. The only one to benefit from that is the person who believes saying sorry at the graveside makes up for anything nasty they may have done If it eases their sense of guilt, then they weren't that bothered to start with.

Quote:To me, it doesn't make any difference, but.... In 40-50 years time, if William is made King, many who haven't heard any of the story will only have read about Williams mother. Over these years, she will be listed without an HRH and that will make no difference to those who read about her. Do you feel she needs an HRH for people to be able to remember the charity work and good parts of her life? Many of the ardent supporters may themselves have been involved in marriage breakups and time and experience does change most people's views. She will be a small chapter in the history of the Royal Family and if she is suddenly given posthumously an HRH, not only will it not alter anything, a lot of people will reason that it is not worth raking all that up again. It could also cause a great deal of turmoil to the start of Williams reign.

Quote:One doesn't honor a person's memory with an HRH. The HRH status is for living members of the Royal Family who are undertaking to be part of the Firm with all that entails.

Its not the mark of personal distinction but a mark of those whose lives are expected to be devoted to royal service. Not only is Diana dead, but towards the end of her life, Diana showed that she hated living within the restrictions of the Firm and she made public moves against the Firm.

A group hardly confers a sign of membership to a person who has shown disdain for the other fellow members or who has cast bad press about the group itself.

Its like rewarding someone who has given you a slap in the face.


Quote:I'm quite perplexed by the suggestion that William might restore his mother's HRH. It might be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH, but only the living can have styles, and she didn't have it when she died and unless she is resurrected she can't get it again. Death is final. End of story.



Prince William knows his mother fought to retain her HRH. Read pgs. 304-306 in Diana by Sarah Braford. Maybe a King can change rules and show an honor to a died person because that honor was taken away when she divorced Prince Charles. Look what Prince William just did last week with his garter emblem honoring his mother. The craftsman that made the piece said a maternal line is never been used in these garter emblems. He is only a prince an look what he did to honor his mother. Just think what Prince William might do for her when he is King. And if there is no turmoil now with this, then giving his mother back her title in 40 years or so there should not be a great deal of turmoil. Who of the establishment with be around to care? It will probably be a note in an article about King William for the week. But at least King William and Prince Harry with have given her the title she should have had. The above Posters I am sorry to disagree to agree with you all. We all will have to wait an see what King William will do to honor his mother.:flowers:
 
georgiea said:
Look what Prince William just did last week with his garter emblem honoring his mother. The craftsman that made the piece said a maternal line is never been used in these garter emblems.
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And if you read the replies from 'our' experts, you would find that it was nothing new, it was already on his coat of arms and Harry's. It was an invented revelation. The craftsman clearly knew very little.
He is only a prince an look what he did to honor his mother. Just think what Prince William might do for her when he is King. And if there is no turmoil now with this, then giving his mother back her title in 40 years or so there should not be a great deal of turmoil.
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There is no fuss now because it was a non story and did not involve restoring the HRH.
Who of the establishment with be around to care? It will probably be a note in an article about King William for the week. But at least King William and Prince Harry with have given her the title she should have had. The above Posters I am sorry to disagree to agree with you all. We all will have to wait an see what King William will do to honor his mother.:flowers:
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If none of the establishment will be around what would be the point. Many of the public will not care, they don't care that much now. I'm sorry georgiea, she forfeited the right to such an honour, not only with her treatment of the Royal Family, but with her adulterous affairs. Charles wasn't the only one who played that game.
 
georgiea said:
Prince William knows his mother fought to retain her HRH. Read pgs. 304-306 in Diana by Sarah Braford. Maybe a King can change rules and show an honor to a died person because that honor was taken away when she divorced Prince Charles.
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Yes, and William being closest to her, knew her innermost feelings and knows whether she deserved to have the HRH bestowed on her. Don't be so quick to think that William, with what he's seen of his parents, believes his mother deserves the HRH.

William must also come to grapple with the fact that bestowing a royal honour on his mother can be construed as giving an open insult to his father and his grandmother the Queen. Why should William be forced to choose between his parents this way? Don't you think he's tired of being torn between the two?

I do think William will choose to honor his mother, but in a more personal way and in a way that has no bearing on his royal standing or the monarchy, just a sincere gesture from a son to a mother.

Similar to his coat of arms which carried a small motif from her family crest.

For some reason, I foresee him naming a park after her. I don't know why but a park is as big as her personality.
 
Skydragon said:
.If none of the establishment will be around what would be the point. Many of the public will not care, they don't care that much now.
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Well if both Charles and the Queen live till 100 (which is not unheard of given the family history), the Queen will be on the Throne for another 20 years and Charles will be on the throne for yet another 20 years. That's 40 years from now; a lot of things can change.

I imagine William's actions as King depend on the influences he has. Right now he doesn't have close relations with the Spencers and its hard to imagine William staying close to the Spencers as he has children who marry and have grandchildren. Families tend to spread apart at that stage. I don't even know what the Spencers position as to whether Diana should have an HRH. If he's still close to Peter and Zara, they may influence him and they will be knowledgeable about the family history during Diana's life. I have no idea on what way they will influence William in this matter. Of course, Harry will be an influence.

As you say, its hard to predict.
 
All that is true but William will have advisors, as does HM, so will Charles. It won't be a simple case of what he wants, it will be what is best for the country. If the republican movement has grown, as I expect it will, nobody will want to give them ammunition. That ammunition would be the undoing of a decision the Queen had, after careful consideration, made.
 
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Should William decide to honor his mother's memory with the HRH, there's no danger of it offending anyone as he would do so once he is king. This would be similar to Charles not marrying Camilla until after the QM died.
 
sirhon11234 said:
Barry George 'obsessed' with Princess Diana - mirror.co.uk
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What is terrible is that some people blamed remorselessly Prince Charles for her death, but such wackos were never suspected. Find the logic ... :whistling:

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On a happier note, Princess Di named 'The Most Elegant Women Ever' | Hollywood News - Yahoo! India Movies

I wouldn't take this list too seriously as we don't have any information on when, where and how many people voted (if there was a vote).
 
I think what is ''terrible" is the overt need to continuously put Diana down. Even an innocent list such as this sets off sad commentary.
 
Well, I'm only telling the truth. We can't see any numbers or information on who voted for what. But if you have found something on this poll, please post it here.

May I also add that this 'sad commentary' was only intended to avoid any ambiguity or debate on if yes or no the list was properly done with an existent poll.
 
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TheTruth said:
Well, I'm only telling the truth. We can't see any numbers or information on who voted for what. But if you have found something on this poll, please post it here.

May I also add that this 'sad commentary' was only intended to avoid any ambiguity or debate on if yes or no the list was properly done with an existent poll.
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Call me a trouble maker.... :whistling: The LIST was compiled by none other than the D Express, it wasn't a poll at all and we know that this tabloid still believes in conspiracy theories! :flowers:

Sunday Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: Fashion & Beauty :: Are these the most elegant women ever?
 
I don't know how a poll got mixed up in this as the article states "we've compiled a list".
The list changes from "the most elegant women ever" to "the ten most glamorous icons ever" to "top ten icons of elegance".
As an aside, Marilyn Monroe may figure in a top ten "It" girls or top ten "sex appeal" icons, but I've never figured her as an "icon of elegance".
 
I think it stems from the note under the photograph of Diana.
 
how did jacqueline kennedy figure so far down the list? catherine zeta jones....how did she make it all? and isn't it a bit soon to have carla bruni on there?
 
1. Princess Diana
2. Sophia Loren
3. Grace Kelly
4. Audrey Hepburn
5. Marilyn Monroe
6. Catherine Zeta Jones
7. Ava Gardner
8. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
9. Greta Garbo
10. Carla Bruni (ANI)

I am fine up to number 4. After that I think: Onassis, Grabo and Gardner.
But the others are to new on the sence or in Monroe's case to slutty. This is just my opinion about class and style.:flowers:
 
Monika_ said:
I think what is ''terrible" is the overt need to continuously put Diana down. Even an innocent list such as this sets off sad commentary.
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Monika-Using Diana, Princess of Wales' name sells papers.It is a sad commentary on the media.:flowers:
 
georgiea said:
Pretty good likeness made out of lint. :flowers:
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Hmm. It looks more than Rue McLanahan to me, but it is very good. Artists certainly come up with some interesting ideas for media to work with.
 
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