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Old 07-25-2008, 03:10 PM
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That is very sad, there really are some pathetic low lives about. Perhaps they will be able to save it, or graft it on to another, to ensure continuity.
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Hopefully they will.. I don't understand anyone who desecrates headstones, memorials and what not..
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:31 PM
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Hopefully they will.. I don't understand anyone who desecrates headstones, memorials and what not..
Sad to say, some take great delight in it. There are certainly some nasty individuals about.
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE Skydragon:That is very sad, there really are some pathetic low lives about. Perhaps they will be able to save it, or graft it on to another, to ensure continuity.
QUOTE Sirhon:Hopefully they will.. I don't understand anyone who desecrates headstones, memorials and what not..

Sirhon and Skydragon it is very sad about the tree. But, hopefully they will graft it. I believe that is what Holland is doing with the tree outside Ann Frank's hidding place. The tree she writes about in her book is sick and dying.

I feel very sad about the tree and the pond for Diana, Princess of Wales. But, if she was alive this week she would be very proud of her son William. His honor of putting her Spenser family symbol from their crest on his garter above his seat made me real happy of William's love for his mother's ancestory. Does anybody else feel when Prince William becomes King he might honor his mother with HRH title?
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Old 07-25-2008, 05:37 PM
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Does anybody else feel when Prince William becomes King he might honor his mother with HRH title?
Only time will tell, but I hope so and I believe it is a possibility. And I too am happy about William's decision regarding his crest.
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Only time will tell, but I hope so and I believe it is a possibility. And I too am happy about William's decision regarding his crest.
Yes, and as you may know most elements that exist in heraldry signify something historic about the past or actions of the original holder of the family crest? In the case of the escallop, it means one of your ancestors went to the Holy Land. The shell (or escallop) symbolizes the journey by sea that most pilgrims made. Of course they may have also gone to fight in the Crusades. I don't know which of the earliest Spencers did that. It's one of the few things I know about heraldic elements, since I have escallops on my own family crest and I was curious enough to research the background on it. Just a piece of trivia there for you
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:19 PM
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Does anybody else feel when Prince William becomes King he might honor his mother with HRH title?
By the time William becomes King, the country will have moved on and I don't believe it would serve any purpose. She wasn't a Royal Highness when she died.

What difference do you think it would make in 40 or so years georgiea?

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Old 07-25-2008, 06:45 PM
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I think to two loving sons she would be honored the way she should have. Even though it takes 40 or so years Skydragon!
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:54 PM
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I think to two loving sons she would be honored the way she should have. Even though it takes 40 or so years Skydragon!
I would imagine they honour her memory every day. In 40+ years will it honour her to bring up the past, because that is what will happen. You can't give back, the same way you cannot take back hasty words after someone has died.
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[quote=georgiea;803464][quote=Skydragon;803455]By the time William becomes King, the country will have moved on and I don't believe it would serve any purpose. She wasn't a Royal Highness when she died.

What difference do you think it would make in 40 or so years georgiea? /
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I think to two loving sons she would be honored the way she should have. Even though it takes 40 or so years Skydragon!
Yes, well said. The Diana haters like this one were screaming about "the past" from the week after Diana died if you were reading forums as I was. So, they'll never change in their hatred either, whether after 1 year or 10 years or even 40 years, although hopefully time will have moved on indeed by then and most of them will be dead. William can safely ignore them both now and then.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:24 PM
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You can make up after a person dies - with honors that they know the loed one would have loved to get, even if you had hasty last words with them right before they died.

If Prince William will honor his mother with HRH let is be. He will honor ALL his relatives, because he loves them. Let us disagree to agree Skydragon and others with this same point of view. Let us wait till the future and see what King William does.
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Not georgia, but I think William's acension will make Diana the King's mother, even though she is gone. It would be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH.
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Does anybody else feel when Prince William becomes King he might honor his mother with HRH title?
Well, I don't think the Princess needs an HRH now. I doubt in Heaven there is any need for an HRH but if William wants to restore his mother's HRH, he has every right to.
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:26 AM
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Well, I don't think the Princess needs an HRH now. I doubt in Heaven there is any need for an HRH but if William wants to restore his mother's HRH, he has every right to.
Yes, he may be able to, but as you are one of the reasonable Diana posters on here, (and yes there are quite a few who are willing to 'talk' rather than shout), I would ask you, what difference do you think it would make?

To me, it doesn't make any difference, but.... In 40-50 years time, if William is made King, many who haven't heard any of the story will only have read about Williams mother. Over these years, she will be listed without an HRH and that will make no difference to those who read about her. Do you feel she needs an HRH for people to be able to remember the charity work and good parts of her life? Many of the ardent supporters may themselves have been involved in marriage breakups and time and experience does change most people's views. She will be a small chapter in the history of the Royal Family and if she is suddenly given posthumously an HRH, not only will it not alter anything, a lot of people will reason that it is not worth raking all that up again. It could also cause a great deal of turmoil to the start of Williams reign.
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You can make up after a person dies - with honors that they know the loved one would have loved to get, even if you had hasty last words with them right before they died.
I am a great believer in, once someone is dead, it is too late. The only one to benefit from that is the person who believes saying sorry at the graveside makes up for anything nasty they may have done If it eases their sense of guilt, then they weren't that bothered to start with.
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:45 AM
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I'm quite perplexed by the suggestion that William might restore his mother's HRH. It might be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH, but only the living can have styles, and she didn't have it when she died and unless she is resurrected she can't get it again. Death is final. End of story.
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I'm not even sure that on William's ascension all people will even realise that the then Dowager or late queen was not William's mother, especially if Charles lives to an old age with his current wife by his side. I believe these Camilla-Diana comparisons will stop once Camilla is queen and the interest in a dead princess will wane when there is a living queen and probably a living new Princess of Wales around. And once the media stops rehashing old stories, then people will be able to let go, I think.
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IMO she has no use for it now that she has been gone for almost 11 years.
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Old 07-26-2008, 11:46 AM
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I'm quite perplexed by the suggestion that William might restore his mother's HRH. It might be nice for the King's mother to be an HRH, but only the living can have styles, and she didn't have it when she died and unless she is resurrected she can't get it again. Death is final. End of story.
Why perplexed? Should he ever decide to do it, it would simply be a way of honoring his mother's memory. End of story. I don't understand why the mere suggestion of it is cause for alarm.
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One doesn't honor a person's memory with an HRH. The HRH status is for living members of the Royal Family who are undertaking to be part of the Firm with all that entails.

Its not the mark of personal distinction but a mark of those whose lives are expected to be devoted to royal service. Not only is Diana dead, but towards the end of her life, Diana showed that she hated living within the restrictions of the Firm and she made public moves against the Firm.

A group hardly confers a sign of membership to a person who has shown disdain for the other fellow members or who has cast bad press about the group itself.

Its like rewarding someone who has given you a slap in the face.
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There are many ways to honor someone and it is a personal choice. It will be William's decision to make, or not, when the time comes.
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