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Old 02-26-2008, 09:36 PM
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Another reason for the paparazzi not to want to take the time to appear is that they have money to make and scoops to get. Like anyone else, going to court would cut down on their earnings.

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I think perhaps the paparrazi were tired of the whole thing after two inquiries and having had their statements take numerous times. Over the course of 10 years they may have felt it was pretty pointless to put themelves out just because one man feels he has an axe to grind with the royal family. They bear part of the responsibility, just as Mo Fayad does, for the accident.

It is easier to omit evidence but I doubt any evidence the paps would give would support Fayad's conspiracy theories.

I have doubts that Paul Burrell has any deep, dark "secret" despite his claims. His reluctance to go away stems from one thing and one thing only -- he doesn't want to lose his cash cow! The man has made millions off Diana in the past 10 years. He could easily retire and live comfortably for the rest of his days, however greed and love of the limelight have him attempting to remain centerstage!

To my understanding, as long as he is not on British soil, he can't be compelled to return to the inquest. Though the curious part of my nature would love to hear his "secret" and know what "red herrings" he tossed out during his previous testimony, unless he returns of his own volition, I may just have to remain curious. Sad, as we all know what killed the ...

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Old 02-26-2008, 09:45 PM
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Mr. al-Fayed could be found innocent of any charges of libel and slander by reason of insanity (LOL)...but Paul may be playing a cat and mouse game...and could possibly get more requests (and thus more money) for his side of the story...very interesting how Paul keeps it going for his benefit...but he knows something...
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:58 PM
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^ I agree. Fayad is certifiable. And after reading the transcripts from today, I seriously doubt SIS, M16 or whatever they are called had anything to do with any of this. Another nail in the conspiracy coffin. Soon perhaps we can bury it, then Diana, Dodi and the conspiracies can rest in peace

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Old 02-26-2008, 11:27 PM
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Not quite. Jihad actually means to furthur oneself or to follow Islam despite struggle or doubt to become closer to Allah. So, yes - Jihad is universal amongst muslims but some muslims interpret Jihad in a very different way. It's exactly the same where issues of dress and women's rights are concerned - it depends not on faith alone but on a mixture of faith and culture. Diana being English would have nothing to do with anger or resentment, neither would a non-muslim holidaying with a muslim. I can see that the bathing suit would raise eyebrows with most muslims but it's open to interpretation. When talking about Islam you have to be just as careful as when talking about Christianity - they're really umbrella terms and there's a great deal of diversity in both which would affect the matter at hand.

Jihad : the concept of Holy War in Islam

The Quranic term 'Jihad' means, "Holy fighting in the Cause of Allah or any other kind of effort to make Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) superior. Jihad is regarded as one of the fundamentals of Islam." (Note 1)

Muslims refer to a 'greater Jihah' (the personal struggle against sin), and a 'lesser Jihad' (holy warfare against the enemies of Allah and Islam). This distinction is often lost in the media, in part because some Muslims deliberately misrepresent the concept of Islam (example).

Lesser jihad is the traditional holy war launched in the name of God against the enemies of God and Islam. Thus, jihad is both a personal and community commitment to defend and spread the religion of Islam.

Let's identify Islamic Jihad as what it is to those who are blowing up ours and theirs in the name of Allah. And that is in the "Lesser Jihad". Or to those with bombs strapped on their chest's just, and expect 72 Virgins in the after life

"JIHAD"!
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:33 PM
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It just goes to show, it's never going to be over as long as there are questions and the need to protect an image.
No, its never going to be over so long as there are cospiracy theorists who find fantasies of murder are more entertaining to muse over and discuss than the mundane details of a preventable and rather regrettable accident.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:34 PM
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The Quranic term 'Jihad' means, "Holy fighting in the Cause of Allah or any other kind of effort to make Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) superior. Jihad is regarded as one of the fundamentals of Islam."


Again, open to interpretation and depends on the sect of Islam we're discussing. I'm not sure which kind of Islam the Al-Fayeds follow but obviously Diana in a bathing suit didn't offend Dodi's muslim beliefs.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:35 PM
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And can one of you clarify why we are discussing a jihad here?

Has al-Fayed mentioned that he is carrying out a jihad against the Royal Family. If he has stated that, he's incredibly pompous and stupid.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:37 PM
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No Ysbel, Duke said that the muslim world wouldnt have accepted Diana in a bathing suit and I said it was important not to refer to the beliefs of the 'muslim world' as there's no such thing. And Jihad was an example of different interpretation within Islam, the same as the modesty rules are different and obviously didn't offend the muslims on board the yacht Diana wore a bathing suit on.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:43 PM
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No Ysbel, Duke said that the muslim world wouldnt have accepted Diana in a bathing suit and I said it was important not to refer to the beliefs of the 'muslim world' as there's no such thing. And Jihad was an example of different interpretation within Islam, the same as the modesty rules are different and obviously didn't offend the muslims on board the yacht Diana wore a bathing suit on.
Yeah.
What Sam said.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:45 PM
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Thanks for explaining BeatrixFan and Russophile.

I understand your original point and I agree that Muslim beliefs can vary from culture to culture which was well made but I don't think a further discussion of what exactly constitutes a greater or lesser jihad is going to help clarify the distinctions of different expectations of appropriate behavior among different Muslim groups.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:48 PM
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Very true Ysbel and I think it depends on different individuals too. We know Mr Al Fayed drinks alcohol because he's been seen sipping champagne before. Muslims aren't allowed to drink alcohol but maybe he skips this like alot of Christians fall out with parents etc. The private views of the Al Fayeds would have determined Diana's behaviour but she'd always been respectful of foreign customs so even if they'd asked her to done a salwar and cover her head I dont think there would have been a problem.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:50 PM
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And the fact that we were discussing Mr. Mo and I am curious as to, with above comment from Pinkie if he will have libel charges filed against him. And what's up with Burrell??
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:55 PM
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Burrell has been reclaimed to court to explain why there are differences in his story in court and his various sell outs to the media. Also "The Sun" have a tape of him saying he lied in court. Mr Burrell hasn't contacted the court and the growing speculation is he's skipped the country to avoid perjury charges.
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:19 AM
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Let's face it, there will always be someone out there be commoner or royal who will always think there was a conspiracy surrounding Princess Diana's death. Someone out there will go to their death bed believing that this was planned and that they both were embarrassments to the crown. All I am saying is that if it was a conspiracy in time it will be brought into the light. And it might not need a half a million pound inquest to figure it out. There is always that one piece of evidence WHEN A CRIME IS COMMITTED that in time is found. It may take years but until the one piece of evidence that proves NOTHING happened and it was a simple DUI car crash then it will continue to be what it is a Tragic Death of Princess Diana.
Do I read that correctly? You believe it's enough to just sit and wait till (as spoken by the Lord via the bible) truth tells itself, till the whole of mankind recognises that "one piece of evidence" and what it tells about if and/or by whom a crime was being committed? Hm... obviously I haven't lived long enough yet because there are many outcomes of crime investigations that do not convince me yet.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:21 AM
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Burrell has been reclaimed to court to explain why there are differences in his story in court and his various sell outs to the media. Also "The Sun" have a tape of him saying he lied in court. Mr Burrell hasn't contacted the court and the growing speculation is he's skipped the country to avoid perjury charges.
He's going to have to stay away for a while, then, because I assume perjury charges can be brought for a long time after the inquest closes. I wonder why he didn't have the sense to keep his trap shut about misleading the coroner until after the end of the inquest.
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But that's the essential worthlessness of this inquest - they can come up with all sorts of factual evidence pointing to an accident, and it'll make no difference whatever to people who need to believe that it wasn't an accident. They'll just say that evidence of murder wasn't found, or was suppressed, or was misunderstood or something. When people say that they just want to hear the truth, a lot of the time they feel they already know the truth, and that if the verdict is "accidental death," they won't have heard the truth.
I doubt that's what the inquest wants. IMHO it is aimed at securing a verdict that cannot be challenged in another lawsuit as all venues will have been properly explored and presented to the jury. Base on this verdict, the newspaper will have to stop to help spreading conspiracy theories while all those people who still believe in them are considered crazy. For a society like the British, this is quite a good result.
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Very true Ysbel and I think it depends on different individuals too. We know Mr Al Fayed drinks alcohol because he's been seen sipping champagne before. Muslims aren't allowed to drink alcohol
Mohammed did not forbid the consumation of alcohol but warned against its dangers and said it was to be used only as medicine, not as a means to escape the realities of life. But it's up to the believer to decide when and against what he needs his "medicine". And I'M afraid I understand Mo Fayed needs quite some "medicine" at the moment, best administered in Bedlam or another institution specialised in cases like his.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:45 AM
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Obvioulsy the inquest was an attempt to silence some very powerful voices and critics who were powerful enough to compell Her Majesty and her advisors the absolute need to make sure the immediate members of the current British Royal Family were not in any way whatsoever connected with the death of the Princess of Wales...
The inquest was nothing of the sort, an inquest has, by law, to be held for any member of the British public, dying abroad. The investigation and the prolonged inquest are to disprove Fayed and some people's allegations of murder.
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I just have a hard time believing Diana would have met even a small scratch, let alone death, in the protection of Mr. Al-Fayed, though.
I think that is THE problem. One imagines with the finances at Fayeds disposal, that he would have been able to look after Diana, provide adequete security, privacy and driving standards.

I think Fayed got caught up in the excitement of being in the public eye, connected to the family he loves to hate. Fayed, like Diana, loved being the centre of attention and he would do everything in his power to encourage his son to ask Diana to marry him. He was probably under the delusion that presentation of a tacky ring in Dodi's apartment would do the trick, never realising that Diana, for all her (perceived) faults had much higher standards and thought for her son's feelings.

That is why, IMO, he is so vengeful now, he thought he was about to achieve his ultimate goal, only to have a snatched away by fate!
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I think that is THE problem. One imagines with the finances at Fayeds disposal, that he would have been able to look after Diana, provide adequete security, privacy and driving standards.
The sad thing is that both Wingfield and Reece Jones claimed on oath that they told Old Fayed that two bodyguards were not enough considering the lifestyle Diana and Dodi chose during their time together. So it appears as if Old Fayed simply was too "austere" to invest enough in Diana's protection.
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He's going to have to stay away for a while, then, because I assume perjury charges can be brought for a long time after the inquest closes. I wonder why he didn't have the sense to keep his trap shut about misleading the coroner until after the end of the inquest.
And of course there's always extradition depending where he's gone.
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